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If we're talking about NFL-level activity, yes. And yes, we're talking about Mac playing in the NFL. I'm sure June Jones does a good job of finding QBs to play in his system in college. But as for him judging NFL talent, I don't think he's the best evaluator or judge.

Again, I hope Mac goes high in the NFL draft. I hope he lights it up for whatever team picks him. But I don't think June Jones' evaluation of him will sway many teams. Do I think Mac is better than Lawrence? No. I think Trevor Lawrence has some great physical attributes and will bring more to the game (his running ability in addition to his passing). Do I think Mac is a slouch? No. He's a gifted passer with great accuracy. But, he doesn't bring the running ability that Lawrence, Fields or Wilson do.
 

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@OldPlayer we're talking about his ability to judge a QB. With his resume with his QB's I don't see it as an opinion that should be doubted based on what happened with the teams he coached and their records.
 

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Lawrence can run. He can run better than Mac. Lawrence ain’t no Lamar. Mac Jones can throw circles around Trevor Lawrence. Mac’s feet ain’t nailed to the ground. He moves very well in the pocket. Trevor Lawrence is a decent QB who benefits greatly from the hype generated by beating Alabama with circus catching WRs and a piss weak ACC schedule
 

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We’re talking about his ability to judge QB talent for the NFL. His coaching success contributes to this. He may be a good judge of talent for his system (Chang, Brennan) but his QBs did not fare well in the NFL. I don’t know his ability to select talent at the NFL level (you never hear about a pro QB that was picked by June), but his opinion on pro QB talent is minimal. That’s why I don’t tout his opinion here. It’s okay for us to agree to disagree.
 

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It's not that simple. Put your guy, Lawrence, at the Jets and we'll end up seeing a QB put up numbers like Brennan. There is no other professional league that depends so much on a team (and its ingredients) to the point what one might consider "the best prospect" ends up on the trading block in a couple of years. Your reference to Brennan leaves out he was at Washington under Zorn and they couldn't decide on a QB over a stretch of several years. Brennan's success, or lack thereof, is directly attributed to that staff. Campbell, no it's Martel, no it's Beck. That's their QB room over those years.

It's literally boiled down to this. We sit here and discuss draft opportunities often with the caveat, "depends on which team he lands with" but on the other hand dismiss a QB's performance in the league with no regard to which team he landed with. That, to me, makes little sense: moving goal posts seldom do.

But hell, let's set aside June for a second. When it comes to mechanics and pocket feel it's Mac, hands down. That's been proven on the field of play.

Completion percentage, yards per attempt, TD to INT ratio, and QB rating; all of these from last season point to Mac over Trevor. While the NFL drafts on potential, in this case comparing the two isn't based on potential, it's based on what's been seen.

Back to the crux of the matter. Jones says Mac is a better prospect because he has a better deep ball. Is that arguable? No. We saw that on the field against (not using my words here) "weaker competition in the ACC."

You don't care for Jones or his style? That's your opinion. His coaching acumen with quarterbacks and offenses? If you're knocking that, in my opinion, it's more personal feelings. He wouldn't have been coaching in the league of it were a question.
 

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Out of curiosity, I have a question.

Was there any doubt about Jones and his evaluation skills when he was so high on Tua and how he'd do in the league?
 

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IMO, Lawrence is the better prospect (not that Mac isn’t a good prospect) because he brings more dimensions (ability to scramble and run the ball) than Mac.

I never said I don’t care for Mac. But at the beginning of the draft when I can pick any player (because I’m the worst team in the league) I would go with Lawrence for his size, experience (started more games and was successful doing it regardless of competition), passing ability (he can throw the ball deep, made many long, intermediate and short throws to lesser WRs), and has the ability to run to get out of trouble (I wouldn’t be looking for a running QB in the NFL - they ain’t running the option). Mac would score lower for size, experience and the ability to get out of trouble. If I’m the worst team, I know my future QB will need to be able to get out of trouble because I have the worst team and an overall poor OL probably contributed to that.

Whoever gets Mac is getting a great QB. And, they’ll get him at a reasonable price since he won’t be first off the block. If I’m the GM, I have to spread a limited amount of money to 53 players - some of them already making more than they should. Burrow was signed for $36 million in 2020 (signing bonus = $23.9, so $12.1 spread over 4 years). The number 10 pick had a total contract of $19.7 million (signing bonus = $11.9). The number 20 pick got $13.3 million (signing bonus = $7.3). Right now many NFL teams are positioning for the draft to build up some players so that another team picks them over a preferred prospect, and are being silent about who they think are value picks.

Mac will be a steal. But if I’m the Jaguars or Jets, I’m going with Lawrence.
 

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IMO Lawrence has issues between the ears. He is by no stretch a Johnny Manziel but he does seem to have no bigger fan than himself. I believe Mac to be a better team player with the type of arm and accuracy that many teams want.

Edit: Haha in my own senior moment....I gave Johnny Football the wrong last name. Call me on it
 
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the debate earlier in the thread was whether June’s record in coaching CFB and NFL qualified or disqualified his opinion on Mac Jones. I felt I needed to state my own coaching record so I could also be fairly or unfairly pilloried
 

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If you're looking for the LSU game it's under Alabama versus Garner Webb on ESPN's app
 

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