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    Quote Originally Posted by XXL TideFan View Post
    Your own question is indicative of your own knowledge of said practices. It is common for most people to think that it commenced with FDR, when it all actuality it started in Nov 1910 on Jekyll Island that resulted in the Federal Reserve Act of 1913. FDR really kicked it off during his regime with outlawing private ownership of gold, internment of innocent Americans, and creation of the ponzi scheme Socialist Security. Government control has steadily increased since but is accelerating at a blinding pace.

    I have the feeling that you are almost wanting a term paper with footnotes, but I will just encourage you to do your own research. I am soon to be 52 years old and have always been politically active and served in the Army reserve and active duty Navy. The military does a great job at maintaining a certain level of conditioning of service members perception of reality. I was a huge fan of Ronald Reagan, but it was around 86 or so that I can really point to my shift in perception of world events. America doesn't need to fear world government, we are world government.

    http://www.wimp.com/nextsurveillance/
    I'm not looking for a term paper. I would like for you to support your statement that, in the context of historical thefts of our liberty and freedom, government control is now accelerating at a blinding pace. Something that shows your statements aren't hyperbole, that's all. What's accelerating us toward oblivion at greater velocity than the Federal Reserve Act, the New Deal (and related actions) or the Great Society?

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    Quote Originally Posted by It Takes Eleven View Post
    I'm not looking for a term paper. I would like for you to support your statement that, in the context of historical thefts of our liberty and freedom, government control is now accelerating at a blinding pace. Something that shows your statements aren't hyperbole, that's all. What's accelerating us toward oblivion at greater velocity than the Federal Reserve Act, the New Deal (and related actions) or the Great Society?

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    Tim
    Wouldn't it be easier for you to show that it isn't so?

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    Quote Originally Posted by XXL TideFan View Post
    Wouldn't it be easier for you to show that it isn't so?
    For you, perhaps. If you don't have a basis for your assertion that we're hurtling along at a greater rate today compared to watershed events in the demise of liberty, that's fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by planomateo View Post
    That's a broad sweeping comment...kinda doing what you are complaining about :)
    I merely stated a fact about many of the sites being racist. I notice that anytime race is brought up (for any reason) conservatives jump to accusing someone of "pulling the race card". Deflect much?

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    Quote Originally Posted by paintrockfan View Post
    I merely stated a fact about many of the sites being racist. I notice that anytime race is brought up (for any reason) conservatives jump to accusing someone of "pulling the race card". Deflect much?
    Meant to reply to a different quote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KRYMZENTYDE View Post
    You are right, it is.
    Just say MR. TaterSalad

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    Being a distant relative of Dr. Frankinstein, I will attempt to resuscitate a dead thread, and redirect it to the issue of voter fraud and voter ID.

    Recent articles have made the news concerning voting irregularities in the 2012 general election in North Carolina. I will say at the outset that the number f votes involved was small, relative to the total number cast. There were few hundred who voted twice, in North Carolina and in other states, based on computer matches of name, DOB, and the last four digits of the SSN. There were also around seventy instances of votes being cast for people who were dead, even before the early voting period. Not enough to sway anything in the 2012 election, BUT...

    Some of you may remember the 2008 Minnesota senatorial election in Minnesota. Once (and still) comedian Al Franken won the seat by the tiniest of margins after recounts, court appeals, etc. There were allegation of convicted felons voting, but no way to untangle who they voted for. And Franken winning was necessary to pas the Affordable Care Act. I am not debating whether Franken's election was legitimate, nor the merits of the ACA. I am however pointing out that a seemingly small number of questionable votes can change the outcome of an election and the course of a nation.

    I believe very strongly in voter ID laws, not to keep lawful voters from voting, but to make sure that those who seek to cast votes are indeed entitled to do so. In a representative democracy such as ours the integrity of the voting process is essential, and should be safeguarded. Make the suitable ID easy to get and free, but it is vital that the value of our vote is protected.
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    I actually see both sides of the fence here with it not being that big of a deal to just simply show your ID and it causing no chance of someone trying to vote under a different persons name (I have no idea why someone would actually want to do that lmao), but I also see the ppl that maybe have lived their whole life in NYC and have never needed picture ID or old people who have no picture ID. Regardless when you have Republicans that flat out say they are trying to get this passed to make it harder for Democrats to vote they lose me, its very clear why certain ppl are trying to get this passed...

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...ic-voters.html

    And things like this is are why Republicans make me want to hurl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Birdman37 View Post
    I actually see both sides of the fence here with it not being that big of a deal to just simply show your ID and it causing no chance of someone trying to vote under a different persons name (I have no idea why someone would actually want to do that lmao), but I also see the ppl that maybe have lived their whole life in NYC and have never needed picture ID or old people who have no picture ID. Regardless when you have Republicans that flat out say they are trying to get this passed to make it harder for Democrats to vote they lose me, its very clear why certain ppl are trying to get this passed...

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...ic-voters.html

    And things like this is are why Republicans make me want to hurl.
    It is the law in Alabama. Anyone who really wants to vote and is legally entitled to do so has an easy time of it in this state. It is one of the most Republican states in the nation. When democrats such as Andrew Young and Bill Clinton are endorsing making the social security card into a national photo ID card, all the arguments against voter ID fall apart.
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    I know it is, I have to show it everytime. I said I understand the ppl in places like NYC have literally never had a drivers license and I also said I understand the other side of it being needed.

    That doesn't change how I feel about certain members of the GOP flat out saying they are doing this to make it harder for democrats in certain places. Thats horrid and makes me not give one ounce of a shit about stopping this "rampant voter fraud" (so rampant that they have proven something like 13 cases ever). I also find it amusing to hear ppl try to suggest that someone like Al Franken could have benefited from baseless claims of voter fraud (without flat out saying) but guarantee didn't hear a peep in 2000 when there was REAL fraud going on.
    Last edited by Birdman37; 04-17-2014 at 01:30 AM.

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