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    Default Gun Control (why own a gun?)

    My old grandpa said to me 'Son, there comes a time in every man's life when
    He stops bustin' knuckles and starts bustin' caps and
    Usually it's when he becomes too old to take an ass whoopin.'

    I don't carry a gun to kill people.
    I carry a gun to keep from being killed.

    I don't carry a gun to scare people.
    I carry a gun because sometimes this world can be a scary place.

    I don't carry a gun because I'm paranoid.
    I carry a gun because there are real threats in the world.

    I don't carry a gun because I'm evil.
    I carry a gun because I have lived long enough to see the evil in theWorld.

    I don't carry a gun because I hate the government.

    I carry a gun because I understand the limitations of government.

    I don't carry a gun because I'm angry.
    I carry a gun so that I don't have to spend the rest of my life hating myself for failing to be prepared.

    I don't carry a gun because I want to shoot someone.

    I carry a gun because I want to die at a ripe old age in my bed, and not on
    A sidewalk somewhere tomorrow afternoon.

    I don't carry a gun to make me feel like a man.

    I carry a gun because men know how to take care of themselves and the ones They love.

    I don't carry a gun because I feel inadequate.
    I carry a gun because unarmed and facing three armed thugs, I am inadequate...

    I don't carry a gun because I love it.
    I carry a gun because I love life and the people who make it meaningful to me.

    Police protection is an oxymoron.
    Free citizens must protect themselves.
    Police do not protect you from crime, they usually just investigate theCrime after it happens and then call someone in to clean up the mess.

    Personally, I carry a gun because I'm too young to die and too old to take
    An ass whoopin'.....author unknown (but obviously brilliant)

    A LITTLE GUN HISTORY

    In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about
    20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
    Exterminated.
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    In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million
    Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

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    Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of
    13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded
    Up and exterminated.
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    China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million
    Political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
    Exterminated.
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    Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan
    Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

    ---- ------------- -------------

    Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000
    Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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    Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million
    Educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
    Exterminated.
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    Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because
    Of gun control: 56 million.
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    You won't see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians
    Disseminating this information.

    Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes,
    Gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens.

    With guns, we are 'citizens'. Without them, we are 'subjects'.

    During WW II the Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew
    Most Americans were ARMED!

    If you value your freedom, please spread this anti gun-control message to
    All of your friends.

    The purpose of fighting is to win.
    There is no possible victory in defense.
    The sword is more important than the shield, and skill is more important
    than either.
    The final weapon is the brain.
    All else is supplemental.

    SWITZERLAND ISSUES EVERY HOUSEHOLD A GUN!
    SWITZERLAND 'S GOVERNMENT TRAINS EVERY ADULT THEY ISSUE A RIFLE.
    SWITZERLAND HAS THE LOWEST GUN RELATED CRIME RATE OF ANY CIVILIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!!!

    IT'S A NO BRAINER!
    DON'T LET OUR GOVERNMENT WASTE MILLIONS OF OUR TAX DOLLARS IN AN EFFORT TO MAKE ALL LAW ABIDING CITIZENS AN EASY TARGET

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    Uhhhh stuff like this is so frustrating... yes maybe you would have an argument if someone was proposing banning guns... noone is doing that. They're proposing reinstating the assault weapon ban which makes it illegal to buy (as well as sell and transport) rifles with pistol grips and collapsible stocks and make it illegal to buy large capacity clips, as well as make it FINALLY illegal to buy a gun without a background check at a gun show (which was a stupid ass loophole to begin with). All of those are VERY reasonable laws, VERY. Why is that people on the other side of the argument have to go the complete reverse and say "DEY TRYING TO TAKE OUR GUNNNNS!" Stop it, use some logic.

    And another thing that irritates me is you complain about the media and politicians ignoring these facts and stats you put up but then you ignore stats like gun control in Canada or Japan, why? Because it doesnt work for argument so you ignore them. Just like you were just complaining about others doing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Birdman37 View Post
    Uhhhh stuff like this is so frustrating... yes maybe you would have an argument if someone was proposing banning guns... noone is doing that. They're proposing reinstating the assault weapon ban which makes it illegal to buy (as well as sell and transport) rifles with pistol grips and collapsible stocks and make it illegal to buy large capacity clips, as well as make it FINALLY illegal to buy a gun without a background check at a gun show (which was a stupid ass loophole to begin with). All of those are VERY reasonable laws, VERY. Why is that people on the other side of the argument have to go the complete reverse and say "DEY TRYING TO TAKE OUR GUNNNNS!" Stop it, use some logic.

    And another thing that irritates me is you complain about the media and politicians ignoring these facts and stats you put up but then you ignore stats like gun control in Canada or Japan, why? Because it doesnt work for argument so you ignore them. Just like you were just complaining about others doing.
    You are clueless. Watch the Feinstein clip that I posted in the political forum.

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    I hate the term assault weapons, especially how its getting used right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by planomateo View Post
    I hate the term assault weapons, especially how its getting used right now.
    We have allowed the politicians to set definitions for far too long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XXL TideFan View Post
    You are clueless. Watch the Feinstein clip that I posted in the political forum.
    NO gun ban is being considered or even talked about, so posting a video from 1995 has nothing to do with now.

    Quote Originally Posted by planomateo View Post
    I hate the term assault weapons, especially how its getting used right now.
    Assault Weapon ban means getting rid of large clips, pistol grips, folding stocks, and flash/sound suppressors... Why do you hate that?

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    Country and year of most recent data Number of firearm homicides that year Odds of being murdered with a firearm that year Odds of being murdered that year Percent homicides involving a firearm
    United States ('10) 9,960 1 in 31,000 1 in 24,000 67.5%
    Switzerland ('04) 57 1 in 125,000 1 in 91,000 72.2%
    Canada ('09) 173 1 in 200,000 1 in 56,000 32.0%
    Finland ('09) 24 1 in 250,000 1 in 43,000 19.8%
    Sweden ('04) 37 1 in 250,000 1 in 83,000 33.9%
    Spain ('09) 90 1 in 500,000 1 in 111,000 21.8%
    Germany ('10) 158 1 in 500,000 1 in 125,000 26.3%
    Israel ('07) 6 1 in 1,000,000 1 in 53,000 11.7%
    Australia ('09) 30 1 in 1,000,000 1 in 83,000 11.5%
    England & Wales ('10) 41 1 in 1,000,000 1 in 83,000 6.6%
    Japan ('08) 11 more than 1 in 1,000,000 1 in 200,000 1.8%

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    Quote Originally Posted by Birdman37 View Post
    NO gun ban is being considered or even talked about, so posting a video from 1995 has nothing to do with now.



    Assault Weapon ban means getting rid of large clips, pistol grips, folding stocks, and flash/sound suppressors... Why do you hate that?
    Because they don't have the right to ban a damn thing. Technically if you build your own fully automatic machine gun and never cross state lines, it is legal. The reality is the government costumed thugs will throw you in prison because people of your ilk are content to let them dictate how you live your life.

    I am done. Just remember, criminals don't turn in their guns. Isn't that the goal of it? Cut down on crime. Can you even acknowledge the idiocy of that line of thinking? These massacres have occurred in GUN FREE ZONES as defined by law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Birdman37 View Post
    Country and year of most recent data Number of firearm homicides that year Odds of being murdered with a firearm that year Odds of being murdered that year Percent homicides involving a firearm
    United States ('10) 9,960 1 in 31,000 1 in 24,000 67.5%
    Switzerland ('04) 57 1 in 125,000 1 in 91,000 72.2%
    Canada ('09) 173 1 in 200,000 1 in 56,000 32.0%
    Finland ('09) 24 1 in 250,000 1 in 43,000 19.8%
    Sweden ('04) 37 1 in 250,000 1 in 83,000 33.9%
    Spain ('09) 90 1 in 500,000 1 in 111,000 21.8%
    Germany ('10) 158 1 in 500,000 1 in 125,000 26.3%
    Israel ('07) 6 1 in 1,000,000 1 in 53,000 11.7%
    Australia ('09) 30 1 in 1,000,000 1 in 83,000 11.5%
    England & Wales ('10) 41 1 in 1,000,000 1 in 83,000 6.6%
    Japan ('08) 11 more than 1 in 1,000,000 1 in 200,000 1.8%
    How many of those murders happened with already illegal firearms?

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    I believe violence in America is driven by problems not even relating to firearms. Every movie, television show, and video game is filled with violence, many of the mass murders are committed by young people that have been brought up playing violent video game and watching one violent movie after another. Add to that all the drugs, hate crimes, (black, hispanic and white) and you have a perfect formula for violence.

    Controlling guns will only control guns of the law biding citizens because they are the only ones that would cooperate. Criminals DO NOT register their weapons and would not cooperate with authorities.

    If you think the government can confiscate guns and keep them out of the hands of violent people consider the fact that they can't even control drugs coming across our borders by the ton. The same drug "Mules" will be hauling in assault rifles by the ton if gun control is implemented by the Obama administration.

    It is already a fact that most street gangs are better armed than the police that stand between them and us!

    http://www.gunreports.com/news/news/...ml?CMP=OTC-RSS

    I am inclined to agree with Switzerland___ Issue every law biding citizen a weapon and train them how to use it properly and watch crime drop to 0%!
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