SAD BUT VERY TRUE STORY...

[WYTBOYZ]

http://cbs.sportsline.com/collegefootball/story/8642752

Not intended to start with the smack talk just thought it was a good read.

This is why I don't understand why some Alabama fans get down on Auburn so hard after their 13-0 season. Alabama got screwed in 1966 and a couple of other years besides that. Auburn got screwed in 2004. I believe they deserve a share of the MNC just as much as USC deserved a share in 2003. All of you know that if the same situation would have occured with Alabama, we would be screaming bloody murder.

[imported_porkchop]

We're never going to get past these problems until we implement a playoff, and that isn't going to happen any time soon.

Whether it be the polls or the BCS it doesn't matter.

[WYTBOYZ]

usually down on the barn but when they come here and question or MNC's and such and act like they are the only ones it has ever happened to is just silly and not true. I don't think au deserved a shot more than ou or USC maybe a share but hey that's how the system we have works and back in 66 there was no system like this, had there of been no way we would of been #3. What a joke, anyways I am not going into a battle of when or how many NC we have just thought it was a nice write up for a change... :roll:

[Tigrinum Major]

We're never going to get past these problems until we implement a playoff, and that isn't going to happen any time soon.

Whether it be the polls or the BCS it doesn't matter.

I agree with ya 100%. 1966 wasn't the first and 2004 won't be the last. The system sucks, I tell ya.

[vatz22au]

usually down on the barn but when they come here and question or MNC's and such and act like they are the only ones it has ever happened to is just silly and not true. I don't think au deserved a shot more than ou or USC maybe a share but hey that's how the system we have works and back in 66 there was no system like this, had there of been no way we would of been #3. What a joke, anyways I am not going into a battle of when or how many NC we have just thought it was a nice write up for a change... :roll:

Ok...

1. We dont come in here and act like we are the only ones it has ever happened to. You sterotype all auburn fans as," they come here and question our MNC's and such and act like they are the only ones it has ever happened to." That assumption is not true, I'd like to say me, and other members (Titan, Known, etc) do not come on this board and take away your MNCs or complain about our lost shot at a NC. If we even state such thing, its because we are currently in a debate about something related to the topic.

2. You obviously hate Auburn so much that you dont even side with your own forum members on this topic.

3. To state that if this system was in place in '66, and that there would be no way that Bama would be #3 is completely absurd. No one knows how this screwy system would've worked in...1966.

"What a joke, anyways I am not going into a battle of when or how many NC we have just thought it was a nice write up for a change..."

Could you have not just stated," oh nice write up!" without the constant dogging and bickering?

[Crimson_Pride]

here we go again :lol: :lol: :lol:

[imported_porkchop]

Let's keep it friendly fellas.

[AUesquire]

As a barner, I'm actually more upset about our 83' raping than this past year. Went into the Sugar Bowl ranked #3...#1 Nebraska loses and #2 Texas loses as well. Auburn wins and the final poll goes...Miami, Nebraska and Auburn.

The worst part about it was the schedule we played that year has been rated by one publication as the 5th toughest schedule in the history of college football....Texas, Florida, Georgia, Maryland, FSU and Michigan all ranked in the top 10 when we played them. Not to mention the likes of UT and Alabama.

And who won the NC the next year by playing a 6-5 Michigan team in the Holiday Bowl? BYU!!!! :shock:

Settle it on the field...Period. In Bama's Sugar Bowl win over the Canes', was there one media member, one AP voter, one "Expert analyst" that thought Bama could stay within 2 TD's of Miami? UA was a double digit dog for Christs sake. Fast forward to kickoff and guess what? Turns out Bama was bigger, faster, stronger and better coached than the OVERRATED Canes. Had they ended the season before it was PROVEN ON THE FIELD, they would have voted Miami consensus #1.

[Tigrinum Major]

As a barner, I'm actually more upset about our 83' raping than this past year. Went into the Sugar Bowl ranked #3...#1 Nebraska loses and #2 Texas loses as well. Auburn wins and the final poll goes...Miami, Nebraska and Auburn.

The worst part about it was the schedule we played that year has been rated by one publication as the 5th toughest schedule in the history of college football....Texas, Florida, Georgia, Maryland, FSU and Michigan all ranked in the top 10 when we played them. Not to mention the likes of UT and Alabama.

And who won the NC the next year by playing a 6-5 Michigan team in the Holiday Bowl? BYU!!!! :shock:

Settle it on the field...Period. In Bama's Sugar Bowl win over the Canes', was there one media member, one AP voter, one "Expert analyst" that thought Bama could stay within 2 TD's of Miami? UA was a double digit dog for Christs sake. Fast forward to kickoff and guess what? Turns out Bama was bigger, faster, stronger and better coached than the OVERRATED Canes. Had they ended the season before it was PROVEN ON THE FIELD, they would have voted Miami consensus #1.Leave it to the lawyer to comeup with a good argument.

My whol arguement is not that Auburn was the best team, but I would have liked to see them get the chance. (No, 2002 and 2003, we didnt get our chance at USC. Different years, different teams.) The BCS works as long as you have two undefeated teams. Other than that, it is a bust.

Great point about the Bama-Miami game, esquire.

[Crimson_Pride]

As a barner, I'm actually more upset about our 83' raping than this past year. Went into the Sugar Bowl ranked #3...#1 Nebraska loses and #2 Texas loses as well. Auburn wins and the final poll goes...Miami, Nebraska and Auburn.

The worst part about it was the schedule we played that year has been rated by one publication as the 5th toughest schedule in the history of college football....Texas, Florida, Georgia, Maryland, FSU and Michigan all ranked in the top 10 when we played them. Not to mention the likes of UT and Alabama.

And who won the NC the next year by playing a 6-5 Michigan team in the Holiday Bowl? BYU!!!! :shock:

Settle it on the field...Period. In Bama's Sugar Bowl win over the Canes', was there one media member, one AP voter, one "Expert analyst" that thought Bama could stay within 2 TD's of Miami? UA was a double digit dog for Christs sake. Fast forward to kickoff and guess what? Turns out Bama was bigger, faster, stronger and better coached than the OVERRATED Canes. Had they ended the season before it was PROVEN ON THE FIELD, they would have voted Miami consensus #1.

First of all, I can't believe you called yourself a barner! :D

Secondly, I've heard about '83, but knew nothing about it. I can't believe you played that many strong OOC opponents. That's amazing. I'd agree that it was a definite injustice.

[AUesquire]

Hey, when in Rome.... :lol:

[WYTBOYZ]

do or do not think the implementation of the extra game if needed will help?? I really do not know if it will or not as I haven't gotten around to reading up on the entire just of how it will work if someone knows or can post a site to read I would like to read up on it and see just how it will work or not work>> :?:

[vatz22au]

As a barner, I'm actually more upset about our 83' raping than this past year. Went into the Sugar Bowl ranked #3...#1 Nebraska loses and #2 Texas loses as well. Auburn wins and the final poll goes...Miami, Nebraska and Auburn.

The worst part about it was the schedule we played that year has been rated by one publication as the 5th toughest schedule in the history of college football....Texas, Florida, Georgia, Maryland, FSU and Michigan all ranked in the top 10 when we played them. Not to mention the likes of UT and Alabama.

And who won the NC the next year by playing a 6-5 Michigan team in the Holiday Bowl? BYU!!!! :shock:

Settle it on the field...Period. In Bama's Sugar Bowl win over the Canes', was there one media member, one AP voter, one "Expert analyst" that thought Bama could stay within 2 TD's of Miami? UA was a double digit dog for Christs sake. Fast forward to kickoff and guess what? Turns out Bama was bigger, faster, stronger and better coached than the OVERRATED Canes. Had they ended the season before it was PROVEN ON THE FIELD, they would have voted Miami consensus #1.

I didnt think of the '83 year....Nice post.

College football is about the only sport that denies a true champion. If div 3 & div 2 college football can have a playoff...why cant div 1? All I hear from the "experts" is that it would be harder on the student athlete to drag the season on like that....But it wouldnt have to be that way! It could follow the following format:

1. All regular/minor bowls still exist and are handed out to the usual lesser teams.
2. The BCS bowls are like the playoff system if you will. Most of the time, its usually the top 4 teams that are in conflict...so we could leave it at that. For instance:

A. There are 4 BCS bowls: Fiesta, Rose, Orange, & Sugar. Have 2 bowls that are the "Championship playoff bowl games." For instance, one year the Fiesta & Rose will host the "Championship playoff games" then the next would be the Orange & Sugar, etc etc.

#1 would play #4 in one "championship playoff" bowl game, the other would consist of #2 vs #3.

3. After those 2 "Championship playoff" Bowl games have been played (those 2 bowl games would consist of teams ranked 1-4) you will come out with 2 winners.

4. Add one more BCS bowl...this will be the "championship game" and it will be played one week after the last bowl game has been played. This game will have the winner from the "championship playoff" bowl game #1 & #2.

I dont see how that cant work, and its pathetic that the sport isnt about the sport anymore, its about T.V. rights, money, etc. Sad and pathetic that the players cant even play it out on the field....no way should a preseason ranking have any effect on who plays in the NC game...A game hasnt even been played yet!

[Tigrinum Major]

do or do not think the implementation of the extra game if needed will help?? I really do not know if it will or not as I haven't gotten around to reading up on the entire just of how it will work if someone knows or can post a site to read I would like to read up on it and see just how it will work or not work>> :?:The extra game as it exists now does nothing except take the championship game and puts it a week later at the site of one of the major bowl. There is simply ANOTHER bowl game. For example, USC and Auburn would not have met in the game that will come about by the new BCS. USC and Choklahoma would have simply met at Joe Robbie a week after the Orange Bowl in the BCS Championship Game. That is the simplest way to explain it. When they announced it, it appeared that it would be a Plus One, but it isn't. It is simply a new format to a bad program.

[bamafan4ever]

I will like to emulate what KBTCYC said. I would have liked for AU to at least had a chance to settle the game on the field. I saw too many games where USC did not look like all of that and a bag of chips (see UCLA and Oregon St. games).

If the shoe had been on the other foot, I am sure that Bama fans would still be in meltdown to this day. That is what is inherently wrong with the existing system as Keith as pointed out.

That being said, there were a certain factions of fans that declared AU MNC this year and I think that is where everyone can certainly disagree. It is certainly hard to deal with the hand that was dealt to the Tigers but it certainly was not unique to AU either and I guess the spectacle of a "people's national championship" actually reduced some of the sympathy that AU was recieving when it didn't have its' chance at number 1. The self-declaration of a MNC rubbed a lot of people the wrong way that had been in that same situation in the past. The irony, as some Bama fans had seen it, was the constant disputing of Bama's MNC yet AU was willing to declare itself a national champ and no one was supposed to dispute that?

Please, don't get me wrong, if Bama went 13-0 and got shut out of the big dance, I and everyone else would be upset and the U of A may have even thrown a parade to commemorate such a great season...but....I would hope that CMS wouldn't accept a made up national championship trophy.

Was that just a little embarassing to some of the AU faithful on this board?

[vatz22au]

I will like to emulate what KBTCYC said. I would have liked for AU to at least had a chance to settle the game on the field. I saw too many games where USC did not look like all of that and a bag of chips (see UCLA and Oregon St. games).

If the shoe had been on the other foot, I am sure that Bama fans would still be in meltdown to this day. That is what is inherently wrong with the existing system as Keith as pointed out.

That being said, there were a certain factions of fans that declared AU MNC this year and I think that is where everyone can certainly disagree. It is certainly hard to deal with the hand that was dealt to the Tigers but it certainly was not unique to AU either and I guess the spectacle of a "people's national championship" actually reduced some of the sympathy that AU was recieving when it didn't have its' chance at number 1. The self-declaration of a MNC rubbed a lot of people the wrong way that had been in that same situation in the past. The irony, as some Bama fans had seen it, was the constant disputing of Bama's MNC yet AU was willing to declare itself a national champ and no one was supposed to dispute that?

Please, don't get me wrong, if Bama went 13-0 and got shut out of the big dance, I and everyone else would be upset and the U of A may have even thrown a parade to commemorate such a great season...but....I would hope that CMS wouldn't accept a made up national championship trophy.

Was that just a little embarassing to some of the AU faithful on this board?

No it was not embarrasing because some kid in opelika just came up with that. We didnt parade through the streets yelling "We won the peoples national championship.." Hell go over to aunation.net, over 3/4ths of the people there laugh at the "people's championship."

I think our rivals made it an even more of a big deal than we did. We claim a MNC...yes. But its not based on "The peoples national champion" by any means. Its the fact we went 13-0, and no one beat us....plain and simple.

MNC= Mythical National Championship
NCAA = awards NO official national champion of college football

We won all of our games, no one beat us...We claimed ourselves as a champion, plain and simple. Y'all would do no less.

Please dont misunderstand that Auburn nation on this subject. We dont claim a Championship on the basis that some kid created a poll and awarded it to us. We claim it on the fact that we were not beaten.

Dog us about it or not......its cool either way. But your argument is flawed in the since that your basing the fact that we claim it based off of a "peoples champion." We do not at all.

Tuberville just accepted the award with a big smile...Just like any coach would....Theres no politics involved, its just something that came up for "fun" that wasnt, by any means, official...Not once did you see Tuberville cry about missing out on the big game like USC did the year before.

[WYTBOYZ]

I have to agree with vatz22 on the way to make a playoff and his idea would be plain and simple just gotta get you up to the nc2a office and sell the pitch. I like it and I am sure every CFB fan would kill to have it a done deal just that way I know I would.

As far as KFTCYK I can't agree with claiming one that you didn't get awarded as in 66 everyone knows we got the shaft but we don't claim it, we do ***** about it on a regular basis but it doesn't count and until vatz get's his plan going it will never be fair!!

[AUesquire]

There was a ton of debate on AUnation about that with only a few actually declaring it was legit to claim a championship. The prevailing thought seemed to be it's not really a championship but we can say what we want as long as we're under such a screwed up system.

I really think CTT tried to have fun with it and recognize his guys for their accomplishments using a theme of Champions On The Field. Hey, that's fine with me, whatever it takes to thumb your nose at the BCS and move closer to changing it. In 03', didn't every team in Division 1 start the season with the goal of being the BCS champion? Including USC? When it came down to the title game and USC got bent over, they decided to claim the AP National Championship, accept the trophy, have a parade etc. And all the media talking heads around the nation recognized them as "Co-National Champions."

But wait, that's not what they were playing for....was it?

[WYTBOYZ]

No not really they were awarded the AP trophy there is a difference and USC took both polls last year so there was no split, thats why au is so pissed at least if they got the AP award they could LEGITIMATELY claim a NC or as you guys like to say MNC but the true reality is au didn't get either poll and has no right to claim last year other than what they wanna say and like I said in 66 we pissed and moaned and still do but you nor anyone but USC can claim a NC for 04!!

[vatz22au]

No not really they were awarded the AP trophy there is a difference and USC took both polls last year so there was no split, thats why au is so pissed at least if they got the AP award they could LEGITIMATELY claim a NC or as you guys like to say MNC but the true reality is au didn't get either poll and has no right to claim last year other than what they wanna say and like I said in 66 we pissed and moaned and still do but you nor anyone but USC can claim a NC for 04!!

I still claim it, if we "get the right to" or not :D I can make just as strong a case as USC can. We won every game!

I mean really, what right do you need to have when claiming a "MYTHICAL national championship"? I dont need any poll telling me, that the team I love, isnt a champion of football....even though they clearly demonstrated it on the field by winning every game.

[bamafan4ever]

I will like to emulate what KBTCYC said. I would have liked for AU to at least had a chance to settle the game on the field. I saw too many games where USC did not look like all of that and a bag of chips (see UCLA and Oregon St. games).

If the shoe had been on the other foot, I am sure that Bama fans would still be in meltdown to this day. That is what is inherently wrong with the existing system as Keith as pointed out.

That being said, there were a certain factions of fans that declared AU MNC this year and I think that is where everyone can certainly disagree. It is certainly hard to deal with the hand that was dealt to the Tigers but it certainly was not unique to AU either and I guess the spectacle of a "people's national championship" actually reduced some of the sympathy that AU was recieving when it didn't have its' chance at number 1. The self-declaration of a MNC rubbed a lot of people the wrong way that had been in that same situation in the past. The irony, as some Bama fans had seen it, was the constant disputing of Bama's MNC yet AU was willing to declare itself a national champ and no one was supposed to dispute that?

Please, don't get me wrong, if Bama went 13-0 and got shut out of the big dance, I and everyone else would be upset and the U of A may have even thrown a parade to commemorate such a great season...but....I would hope that CMS wouldn't accept a made up national championship trophy.

Was that just a little embarassing to some of the AU faithful on this board?

No it was not embarrasing because some kid in opelika just came up with that. We didnt parade through the streets yelling "We won the peoples national championship.." Hell go over to aunation.net, over 3/4ths of the people there laugh at the "people's championship."

I think our rivals made it an even more of a big deal than we did. We claim a MNC...yes. But its not based on "The peoples national champion" by any means. Its the fact we went 13-0, and no one beat us....plain and simple.

MNC= Mythical National Championship
NCAA = awards NO official national champion of college football

We won all of our games, no one beat us...We claimed ourselves as a champion, plain and simple. Y'all would do no less.

Please dont misunderstand that Auburn nation on this subject. We dont claim a Championship on the basis that some kid created a poll and awarded it to us. We claim it on the fact that we were not beaten.

Dog us about it or not......its cool either way. But your argument is flawed in the since that your basing the fact that we claim it based off of a "peoples champion." We do not at all.

Tuberville just accepted the award with a big smile...Just like any coach would....Theres no politics involved, its just something that came up for "fun" that wasnt, by any means, official...Not once did you see Tuberville cry about missing out on the big game like USC did the year before.

vatz,

Once again, you quote me only to misquote me. You say that my arguement is flawed because, "we claim it based off of a "peoples champion." We do not at all.".

First of all, it wasn't an arguement. It was an observation of a "certain faction" of your fan base which translated, for you, means only a small group. When you say "we" I am to assume you are in that small group.

Don't waste your time defining MNC for me. I am an Alabama fan and I know exactly what MNC means. For that matter, you may notice my age and you need to understand that I have forgotten more about football than you will probably ever know.

You also state that, "We won all of our games, no one beat us...We claimed ourselves as a champion, plain and simple. Y'all would do no less." That statement by you is incorrect. We would call ourselves SEC Champions, like we have done 21 times before not national champions. Catch my drift?

Obviously you skim over the part of my post that says the system is flawed and I would have liked to seen Auburn be able to settle matters on the field but you only pick out parts of my posts that you have a problem with and then proceed to patronize me with defining MNC and pointing out how my arguement is flawed. If my arguement is flawed, my friend, then AU should not have been able to play for the MNC and the "people's champion" is legitimized by all of the AU fan base. Since I know that is NOT true, I am beginning to assume that you are nothing less than a troll.

If you think, for a second, that I am going to take time to answer all of your poor debating points and argue with you every time I post something, then you have another think coming. I will not. Now if you want to engage me in logical conversation instead of being so damn defensive, that's another story.

If you need an example of a civil, logical response, look no further than AUesquire who took the time to add a well thought-out response. He must have read what I wrote and felt it to be fair and responded in kind. Just because you are on the nameless, faceless internet does not give you a right to be condescending. If you feel this post was condescending towards you, it was absolutely intended to be so. I am only reciprocating, vatz. In other words, show a little respect and you will get some back.

I think you can ask anyone on this board who has known me and they can tell you that short of my allegience to the Tide, I am quite objective and will tell you like it is whether it is about Bama or AU.

[vatz22au]

I will like to emulate what KBTCYC said. I would have liked for AU to at least had a chance to settle the game on the field. I saw too many games where USC did not look like all of that and a bag of chips (see UCLA and Oregon St. games).

If the shoe had been on the other foot, I am sure that Bama fans would still be in meltdown to this day. That is what is inherently wrong with the existing system as Keith as pointed out.

That being said, there were a certain factions of fans that declared AU MNC this year and I think that is where everyone can certainly disagree. It is certainly hard to deal with the hand that was dealt to the Tigers but it certainly was not unique to AU either and I guess the spectacle of a "people's national championship" actually reduced some of the sympathy that AU was recieving when it didn't have its' chance at number 1. The self-declaration of a MNC rubbed a lot of people the wrong way that had been in that same situation in the past. The irony, as some Bama fans had seen it, was the constant disputing of Bama's MNC yet AU was willing to declare itself a national champ and no one was supposed to dispute that?

Please, don't get me wrong, if Bama went 13-0 and got shut out of the big dance, I and everyone else would be upset and the U of A may have even thrown a parade to commemorate such a great season...but....I would hope that CMS wouldn't accept a made up national championship trophy.

Was that just a little embarassing to some of the AU faithful on this board?

No it was not embarrasing because some kid in opelika just came up with that. We didnt parade through the streets yelling "We won the peoples national championship.." Hell go over to aunation.net, over 3/4ths of the people there laugh at the "people's championship."

I think our rivals made it an even more of a big deal than we did. We claim a MNC...yes. But its not based on "The peoples national champion" by any means. Its the fact we went 13-0, and no one beat us....plain and simple.

MNC= Mythical National Championship
NCAA = awards NO official national champion of college football

We won all of our games, no one beat us...We claimed ourselves as a champion, plain and simple. Y'all would do no less.

Please dont misunderstand that Auburn nation on this subject. We dont claim a Championship on the basis that some kid created a poll and awarded it to us. We claim it on the fact that we were not beaten.

Dog us about it or not......its cool either way. But your argument is flawed in the since that your basing the fact that we claim it based off of a "peoples champion." We do not at all.

Tuberville just accepted the award with a big smile...Just like any coach would....Theres no politics involved, its just something that came up for "fun" that wasnt, by any means, official...Not once did you see Tuberville cry about missing out on the big game like USC did the year before.

vatz,

Once again, you quote me only to misquote me. You say that my arguement is flawed because, "we claim it based off of a "peoples champion." We do not at all.".

First of all, it wasn't an arguement. It was an observation of a "certain faction" of your fan base which translated, for you, means only a small group. When you say "we" I am to assume you are in that small group.

Don't waste your time defining MNC for me. I am an Alabama fan and I know exactly what MNC means. For that matter, you may notice my age and you need to understand that I have forgotten more about football than you will probably ever know.

You also state that, "We won all of our games, no one beat us...We claimed ourselves as a champion, plain and simple. Y'all would do no less." That statement by you is incorrect. We would call ourselves SEC Champions, like we have done 21 times before not national champions. Catch my drift?

Obviously you skim over the part of my post that says the system is flawed and I would have liked to seen Auburn be able to settle matters on the field but you only pick out parts of my posts that you have a problem with and then proceed to patronize me with defining MNC and pointing out how my arguement is flawed. If my arguement is flawed, my friend, then AU should not have been able to play for the MNC and the "people's champion" is legitimized by all of the AU fan base. Since I know that is NOT true, I am beginning to assume that you are nothing less than a troll.

If you think, for a second, that I am going to take time to answer all of your poor debating points and argue with you every time I post something, then you have another think coming. I will not. Now if you want to engage me in logical conversation instead of being so damn defensive, that's another story.

If you need an example of a civil, logical response, look no further than AUesquire who took the time to add a well thought-out response. He must have read what I wrote and felt it to be fair and responded in kind. Just because you are on the nameless, faceless internet does not give you a right to be condescending. If you feel this post was condescending towards you, it was absolutely intended to be so. I am only reciprocating, vatz. In other words, show a little respect and you will get some back.

I think you can ask anyone on this board who has known me and they can tell you that short of my allegience to the Tide, I am quite objective and will tell you like it is whether it is about Bama or AU.

Wow, I didnt know me claiming a NC bothered you so much to type so much! :D Nice speech and all....but I still claim it :wink:

[imported_porkchop]

My feeling on claiming these championships is this, and there is a very big difference in my opinion between AU last year and a Bama championship from say 92.

First, a team can't claim something no one has given them. I mean I guess I could sit here and claim anything I want to, but it doesn't really mean anything does it? I could sit here and claim an SEC championship from last year if I really felt like doing it, no matter how preposterous it would be, and under some of the arguments I guess I'm entitled to do that. It doesn't make it true though.

When you recognize a national championship what you're really doing is recognizing that some body (as in governing body), whether it be the BCS or the AP, has awarded you the national title. When USC finished first in the polls last year that pretty much seals it. The powers that be awarded USC the national title. They claim last year's title because really...its their right. They've been awarded that title.

Now if AU had been proclaimed national champs by SI or CFN.com then that's fine. By all means, claim that as a national title, but....... IN THE CONTEXT OF WHO AWARDED IT. I mean, it doesn't carry the clout that the BCS or AP carries but if you want to claim it then its your right to do so.



What if this happened?

Bama finishes 92 undefeated and drills Miami in the bowl game.

They get leapfrogged anyway by the number 3 team in the poll.

No body or publication with sufficient authority recognizes the Tide's accomplishments.

You know what happens? We can't claim that as a legit national title. Anyone who does is kidding themselves. Its not deemed legit by the powers that be (whoever that might be). Now if TT News proclaims us national champions then so be it. It doesn't really change anything though. The real powers awarded it to another team.

No one can legitimately claim something that they've not been given. JMHO anyway.

And Vatz, before you go nuclear dude, I respect what AU did last year. They had a hell of a team but for whatever reason, USC was awardded the title. That's just how it worked out.

[vatz22au]

Well, that is a good point, I cant claim anything that wasnt given to me. But you all have to understand that I am a "barner" and I will still claim this NC till the day I die. The "people's national champion" wasnt the only poll that claimed Auburn as #1. I guess I could sit here and say," well, ya we werent given the title by the AP poll or Coachs poll...but you cant say we werent given the title at all by anyone..." but that would just be restating things.

I have read all points of view...I know bama hates it when a "barner" claims last year as a title...and you all do bring up the (look at what I am going to say) RIGHT points. But sorry guys, this is something I will not, and never change.

And I hope this reply doesnt provoke some type of "attack" against me. This is my opinion...and I am free to whatever I want to think...Just like y'all have stated your opinion, and I am open to that.

P.S. (If bama won all of its games in '92, and was ranked #3 by both polls...and some of you claimed a National Championship...To be honest, I would also try hard and hard to prove to y'all that its not Legitimate...Why? Because I am an Auburn fan. I dont like to see Bama succeed :D , just like y'all hate Auburn to succeed. But I still feel strongly that alot of people should experience this situation first before they reply stating "What we would've done is not claim a NC..." type of scenario. I truly believe if the same thing happened to y'all, ALOT of you on this board would still claim a NC...deny it or not... (lets avoid the 1966 argument here...about 3/4ths of all members on this board werent even alive or not even old enough to care at the time)

[imported_porkchop]

Oh I know if that were the case then some of the Bama fans would certainly be claiming the 92 title. I don't doubt that for a minute.

Like I said though, AU had a heck of a year. You have every right to be proud of them.

[vatz22au]

Just so I can downplay the sterotype that "every au fan" claims the 2004 NC...I am currently holding a poll on aunation.net to see who claims it and who doesnt. The results so far? split, 50/50. Not every Auburn fan claims it...

Just thought I'd add that tid bit so people can see that I obviously dont represent the whole fanbase here. :)

[bamafan4ever]

Just so I can downplay the sterotype that "every au fan" claims the 2004 NC...I am currently holding a poll on aunation.net to see who claims it and who doesnt. The results so far? split, 50/50. Not every Auburn fan claims it...

Just thought I'd add that tid bit so people can see that I obviously dont represent the whole fanbase here. :)

Who said everyone did except for you? :roll: ;scr

[vatz22au]

Just so I can downplay the sterotype that "every au fan" claims the 2004 NC...I am currently holding a poll on aunation.net to see who claims it and who doesnt. The results so far? split, 50/50. Not every Auburn fan claims it...

Just thought I'd add that tid bit so people can see that I obviously dont represent the whole fanbase here. :)

Who said everyone did except for you? :roll: ;scr

Probably no one, wasnt paying attention. Only stated that so I wouldnt create a sterotype. Thats all. There are fans who claim it, and fans that dont. No need for that type of response. Just being friendly :?

[WNXBama]

Auburn did get screwed. I admit it to everyone I know.

But that is what I love......that the team getting screwed is Auburn.

If anyone in this country has something unfair done to them, you better damn well believe that I hope the team is Auburn

:lol:

[WYTBOYZ]

You can personally claim any title you want as you said..reality is even if you personally claim it does not mean that it is legit. So you saying you have MNC at au is fine by me, the rest of the NATION KNOWS USC won the NC outright. In saying this let me ask you did OU or USC not deserve to be there and play for the NC ??? Was the fact that you had a 1AA school on your out of conference schedule a downfall??? When you wear your fake rings do you wear fake T-Shirts also??? Since you say half of the people say you cannot claim the title does that mean that in cowville only half the people there understand how the system works??? One last question and answer these honestly please... do you think that if you did a national poll au would leap past USC and people would vote for au as NC last year?????? I will answer the last one honestly for you, hell no only in the other side of ALABAMA do half the people live in a fantasy world where they believe than can just claim titles but like I said if you personally would like to wear a shirt its cool I need a good laugh anyway>>

[Crimson_Pride]

First, a team can't claim something no one has given them. I mean I guess I could sit here and claim anything I want to, but it doesn't really mean anything does it? I could sit here and claim an SEC championship from last year if I really felt like doing it, no matter how preposterous it would be, and under some of the arguments I guess I'm entitled to do that. It doesn't make it true though.

When you recognize a national championship what you're really doing is recognizing that some body (as in governing body), whether it be the BCS or the AP, has awarded you the national title. When USC finished first in the polls last year that pretty much seals it. The powers that be awarded USC the national title. They claim last year's title because really...its their right. They've been awarded that title.

Now if AU had been proclaimed national champs by SI or CFN.com then that's fine. By all means, claim that as a national title, but....... IN THE CONTEXT OF WHO AWARDED IT. I mean, it doesn't carry the clout that the BCS or AP carries but if you want to claim it then its your right to do so.


You gonna dis the Opelika Tribune like that?? :D :D

[vatz22au]

You can personally claim any title you want as you said..reality is even if you personally claim it does not mean that it is legit. So you saying you have MNC at au is fine by me, the rest of the NATION KNOWS USC won the NC outright. In saying this let me ask you did OU or USC not deserve to be there and play for the NC ??? Was the fact that you had a 1AA school on your out of conference schedule a downfall??? When you wear your fake rings do you wear fake T-Shirts also??? Since you say half of the people say you cannot claim the title does that mean that in cowville only half the people there understand how the system works??? One last question and answer these honestly please... do you think that if you did a national poll au would leap past USC and people would vote for au as NC last year?????? I will answer the last one honestly for you, hell no only in the other side of ALABAMA do half the people live in a fantasy world where they believe than can just claim titles but like I said if you personally would like to wear a shirt its cool I need a good laugh anyway>>

I would answer your questions...but the manner you presented them to me tells me that I would just be wasting my time :roll:

[vatz22au]

Auburn did get screwed. I admit it to everyone I know.

But that is what I love......that the team getting screwed is Auburn.

If anyone in this country has something unfair done to them, you better damn well believe that I hope the team is Auburn

:lol:

LOL :D

That has to be the most honest post on here today! I agree though, and cant blame ya! :(

[AUesquire]

I differ from Vatz in that I don't really claim a NC from last year. We are under the BCS, for better or WORSE, and USC was last year's champion. Just as LSU should be the only recognized champion from 2003.

I completely disagree with USC claiming any part of the 2003 championship because again, AP#1 or not, that is NOT what they started playing for at the start of the season. They, along with every other D-1 school agreed to play under the BCS system. In fact, the AP poll was only one element of the overall BCS system used to determine #1 and #2.

So again, I don't claim a NC from this past year but I sure love the controversy it stirred and may drive another nail in the BCS coffin.

[Tydegrrl]

Auburn did get screwed. I admit it to everyone I know.

But that is what I love......that the team getting screwed is Auburn.

If anyone in this country has something unfair done to them, you better damn well believe that I hope the team is Auburn

:lol:

LOL

I don't mind Auburn so much, if someone has to get screwed I usually hold out hope that it is Tutorsee. :twisted:

[WNXBama]

USC fans and players are hypocrites anyway

Matt Leinart wearing a BCS Sucks shirt....fans saying its bogus and horrible....

Then 2004 happens and wait a minute....."Shut up Auburn.....this is the system" is all we hear.

Idiots

Then again, glad it happened to Auburn

[WYTBOYZ]

Avoiding the questions is your right as I know it's hard to answer them honestly and if you were too then you wouldn't be able to claim your nc for last year and you would actually be in the 50% that knows better.

[vatz22au]

Avoiding the questions is your right as I know it's hard to answer them honestly and if you were too then you wouldn't be able to claim your nc for last year and you would actually be in the 50% that knows better.

Whatever makes you happy is cool with me! :D Just didnt like the way you presented it, thats all. Thought if you wanted to ask me a question, you would do it...without all the trash.

[WYTBOYZ]

I didn't ask with any trash, since you like to quote show me the trash I am out of that business the only thing that could of been misconstrued as trash was the ring comment and it's not really trash but I believe it is a Fact you had fake SEC rings made and was just wondering if you had a shirt made also. Other than that don't misinterpret honest questions with an attitude.

[vatz22au]

You can personally claim any title you want as you said..reality is even if you personally claim it does not mean that it is legit. So you saying you have MNC at au is fine by me, the rest of the NATION KNOWS USC won the NC outright. In saying this let me ask you did OU or USC not deserve to be there and play for the NC ??? Was the fact that you had a 1AA school on your out of conference schedule a downfall??? When you wear your fake rings do you wear fake T-Shirts also??? Since you say half of the people say you cannot claim the title does that mean that in cowville only half the people there understand how the system works??? One last question and answer these honestly please... do you think that if you did a national poll au would leap past USC and people would vote for au as NC last year?????? I will answer the last one honestly for you, hell no only in the other side of ALABAMA do half the people live in a fantasy world where they believe than can just claim titles but like I said if you personally would like to wear a shirt its cool I need a good laugh anyway>>

Again, if you presented the questions in a nice manner and not so trashy and immature, they would've been answered :wink:

[WNXBama]

Again, if you presented the questions in a nice manner and not so trashy and immature, they would've been answered

And if you didn't waste the time of the members of this board with your boring, tiresome posts we would be better off too.

I am sure this thread will be included in your next cry-fest about us

[WYTBOYZ]

what you seemed to bold was trash talk, all I did was use your post of hlaf the aunation said you didn't rate it and the fake ring is true the T-Shirt is probably true since I do not live on the other side of the state I wouldn't know but I am sure there is one.
Thats okay I get the just of it, I understand answering the questions is hard and I wouldn't want to answer them either if I really thought we were the nc.

As far as USC claiming the AP poll it was awarded they are not like 50% of the aunation they only claim what was awarded.

SEE THE BELOW PICTURE OF YOURSELF !!! LOL!!! Now you gotta admit thats funny!!

[vatz22au]

Again, if you presented the questions in a nice manner and not so trashy and immature, they would've been answered

And if you didn't waste the time of the members of this board with your boring, tiresome posts we would be better off too.

I am sure this thread will be included in your next cry-fest about us

Well, not here to entertain ya :roll:

[Crimson_Pride]

First, a team can't claim something no one has given them. I mean I guess I could sit here and claim anything I want to, but it doesn't really mean anything does it? I could sit here and claim an SEC championship from last year if I really felt like doing it, no matter how preposterous it would be, and under some of the arguments I guess I'm entitled to do that. It doesn't make it true though.

When you recognize a national championship what you're really doing is recognizing that some body (as in governing body), whether it be the BCS or the AP, has awarded you the national title. When USC finished first in the polls last year that pretty much seals it. The powers that be awarded USC the national title. They claim last year's title because really...its their right. They've been awarded that title.

Now if AU had been proclaimed national champs by SI or CFN.com then that's fine. By all means, claim that as a national title, but....... IN THE CONTEXT OF WHO AWARDED IT. I mean, it doesn't carry the clout that the BCS or AP carries but if you want to claim it then its your right to do so.


You gonna dis the Opelika Tribune like that?? :D :D

:oops: :D

Eufala Tribune....sorry :D

[TuskyOne]

AU should've had a share of the title last year, hey, LSU had to split their title with usc why didn't the trojans have to do the same? I'm no Au fan what's fair is fair. They also got screwed in '83 like we did in '66. In my mind UA IS the only 3-peat team ever! :che

[WYTBOYZ]

since this is the smack board I can respond to this idiot vatz22.. First off I don't have to ask you any certain way if you dont wanna answer the questions because the truth is too painful I understand but do not be an egotistical moron and think I should ask you a certain way.. I am sick of you coming on and telling me about some stinking a$$ barner team who in reality will suck this year because you lost 86% of your offense, think what you wnat about people coming in to replace them but you will find out what you lost is not that easy to replace you DO NOT have that kind of talent..
Second of all you wanna talk trash to me personally don't do it here feel free to e-mail or PM me and I can give ya a toll free ( it is legit ) to call and we can speak freely and work out your attitude towards me.. I do not need no 20 year old talking trash to me on a computer as its really old and boring.. All I hear is blah blah blah from you every freaking time doesn't matter what the post is you gotta try and mis-quote people. I assume you think you are some kind of debate king but unfortunately you must be able to understand the topic to make a good arguement.

[Crimson323]

Agbarn was the most overrated team by the end of 2004. They barely beat Bama and LSU. The SEC Game against UT was almost spoiled. UT had you on the ropes for a while. Auburn only beat VT by 3. What about Utah? Yeah, they played weak teams, but I would have picked them over Agbarney any day to be co-champs. USC won it out right. Now you AU fans can understand why the 1945 and 1966 seasons when Bama was undefeated, are so important to us. But we were deserving, I am not to certain about Agbarn. Not being cocky, but the BCS and AP are now set to picka difinitive #1, not co-champs. I still hate the BCS.

[Tigrinum Major]

Agbarn was the most overrated team by the end of 2004. They barely beat Bama and LSU. The SEC Game against UT was almost spoiled. UT had you on the ropes for a while. Auburn only beat VT by 3. What about Utah? Yeah, they played weak teams, but I would have picked them over Agbarney any day to be co-champs. USC won it out right. Now you AU fans can understand why the 1945 and 1966 seasons when Bama was undefeated, are so important to us. But we were deserving, I am not to certain about Agbarn. Not being cocky, but the BCS and AP are now set to picka difinitive #1, not co-champs. I still hate the BCS.

With your logic, Miami should have been the 1992 MNC. They were a prohibitive favorite over their foe in the Sugar Bowl and everyone was ready to crown them one of the greatest teams ever. But we all know what happened...

So don't give me any crap about how you KNOW USC would have handed Auburn their butt on a platter. The only thing I, and many other Auburn fans have said, is that we should have been given a chance, along with Choklahoma, USC, Utah, hell, even Bosie, to decide the issue on the field, not in the public opinion arena of sportwriters and sports information directors (the real voters in the coaches polls). As far as the computers go, Sagarin had Harvard ranked above Alabama at teh end of the year, so how accurate do you think those hacks are now?

[WYTBOYZ]

barners need to get a life and stop acting like you are the only team getting screwed ever happened to. All we hear is wah wah wah and we deserved a shot. Guess what don't schedule or play div 2a schools and maybe you would get one.. I know it's hard to except because it will not happen again in your lifetime but you had a good season maybe in 15-20 years you will have another just hang in there...