1957 some facts you might wanna KNOW.....

[WYTBOYZ]

After the battle yesterday it was mentioned that the barners might be on probation in 1957 and after some research I found that to be true. Did you know that in 57 OU lost one game and was considered by many to be #1 as well they should be barners were on probation and didn't even play in the Sugar Bowl to earn their 1 title... So lets see if I can make since of this (1). barners try and dispute our 12 when we could actually claim 17. (2) they cry about a 1941 championship we won saying we were ranked around 12 but we did beat osu (if I remember right in a BOWL) and everyone else was not bowling due to the war. (3) In 1957 OU was 10-1 and they won their bowl game and osu was ranked high also but yet a barner team who WAS ON PROBATION AND DIDN'T EVEN PLAY IN A BOWL try to claim a title!!! Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm!!! Just in case some of you didn't know these are the FACTS and might make you wonder DO THE BARNERS HAVE ANY CHAMIONSHIPS???? :shock: :shock: :shock: NO being on probation and not playing a bowl game would serve as a well fought answer!!!!! :P :D :shock: ;flame ;thdo ;pu ;tr :ele

[WYTBOYZ]

http://www.infoplease.com/ipsa/A0746625.html

Is in the pudding read it and weep, osu gets my vote or ou either way barners don't have a title to claim maybe they can make some rings that have them as co-champs with a nasty little probation emblem... LOL man you barners are something else...

[AUesquire]

I'm claiming 1957, I don't care what you....wait, hold on....Oh yea, like I was sayin', you guys can dispute our championship all you want but...okay, just a minute....alright, where was I? In 1957, we definitely won the NC and.....

Dang WYTBOYZ, how do you expect me to argue anything when I gotta' keep going back and looking at that picture under your post. :shock:

A man just can't concentrate with those...er, I mean that in front of him. :lol:

[Bama1966]

Its his diversionary tactic, she sometimes switches to the Auburn undies. :lol:

[vatz22au]

After the battle yesterday it was mentioned that the barners might be on probation in 1957 and after some research I found that to be true. Did you know that in 57 OU lost one game and was considered by many to be #1 as well they should be barners were on probation and didn't even play in the Sugar Bowl to earn their 1 title... So lets see if I can make since of this (1). barners try and dispute our 12 when we could actually claim 17. (2) they cry about a 1941 championship we won saying we were ranked around 12 but we did beat osu (if I remember right in a BOWL) and everyone else was not bowling due to the war. (3) In 1957 OU was 10-1 and they won their bowl game and osu was ranked high also but yet a barner team who WAS ON PROBATION AND DIDN'T EVEN PLAY IN A BOWL try to claim a title!!! Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm!!! Just in case some of you didn't know these are the FACTS and might make you wonder DO THE BARNERS HAVE ANY CHAMIONSHIPS???? :shock: :shock: :shock: NO being on probation and not playing a bowl game would serve as a well fought answer!!!!! :P :D :shock: ;flame ;thdo ;pu ;tr :ele

And your not saying this because your a bama fan right? :)

Let me put it plain and simple for ya:

National Titles: 1913, 1957, 1983, 1993, 2004

"If a Laundromat in Tuscaloosa wants to pick Alabama No. 1, we'll claim it." -- Paul W. Bryant <-- couldnt of said it better myself

[Rolling Tide]

After the battle yesterday it was mentioned that the barners might be on probation in 1957 and after some research I found that to be true. Did you know that in 57 OU lost one game and was considered by many to be #1 as well they should be barners were on probation and didn't even play in the Sugar Bowl to earn their 1 title... So lets see if I can make since of this (1). barners try and dispute our 12 when we could actually claim 17. (2) they cry about a 1941 championship we won saying we were ranked around 12 but we did beat osu (if I remember right in a BOWL) and everyone else was not bowling due to the war. (3) In 1957 OU was 10-1 and they won their bowl game and osu was ranked high also but yet a barner team who WAS ON PROBATION AND DIDN'T EVEN PLAY IN A BOWL try to claim a title!!! Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm!!! Just in case some of you didn't know these are the FACTS and might make you wonder DO THE BARNERS HAVE ANY CHAMIONSHIPS???? :shock: :shock: :shock: NO being on probation and not playing a bowl game would serve as a well fought answer!!!!! :P :D :shock: ;flame ;thdo ;pu ;tr :ele

And your not saying this because your a bama fan right? :)

Let me put it plain and simple for ya:

National Titles: 1913, 1957, 1983, 1993, 2004

"If a Laundromat in Tuscaloosa wants to pick Alabama No. 1, we'll claim it." -- Paul W. Bryant <-- couldnt of said it better myself

His point is that you guys seems to mis over and over and over... Is that if you can count your championships we can count ours. Even thought you guys make fun of us for doing so. Maybe one day Auburn fans will get over their inferiority complex.

[vatz22au]

After the battle yesterday it was mentioned that the barners might be on probation in 1957 and after some research I found that to be true. Did you know that in 57 OU lost one game and was considered by many to be #1 as well they should be barners were on probation and didn't even play in the Sugar Bowl to earn their 1 title... So lets see if I can make since of this (1). barners try and dispute our 12 when we could actually claim 17. (2) they cry about a 1941 championship we won saying we were ranked around 12 but we did beat osu (if I remember right in a BOWL) and everyone else was not bowling due to the war. (3) In 1957 OU was 10-1 and they won their bowl game and osu was ranked high also but yet a barner team who WAS ON PROBATION AND DIDN'T EVEN PLAY IN A BOWL try to claim a title!!! Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm!!! Just in case some of you didn't know these are the FACTS and might make you wonder DO THE BARNERS HAVE ANY CHAMIONSHIPS???? :shock: :shock: :shock: NO being on probation and not playing a bowl game would serve as a well fought answer!!!!! :P :D :shock: ;flame ;thdo ;pu ;tr :ele

And your not saying this because your a bama fan right? :)

Let me put it plain and simple for ya:

National Titles: 1913, 1957, 1983, 1993, 2004

"If a Laundromat in Tuscaloosa wants to pick Alabama No. 1, we'll claim it." -- Paul W. Bryant <-- couldnt of said it better myself

His point is that you guys seems to mis over and over and over... Is that if you can count your championships we can count ours. Even thought you guys make fun of us for doing so. Maybe one day Auburn fans will get over their inferiority complex.

I think we got past that beating y'all 4 out of the last 5 years :)

[Rolling Tide]

Yeah you guys beat us 4 out of 5 years. I will admit that. I don’t think anyone here will dispute that information. You beat us in the worst years of Alabama football history. Good for Auburn we are all happy for you. But once again you missed the point of the conversation, which really isn’t all that surprising.

[vatz22au]

Yeah you guys beat us 4 out of 5 years. I will admit that. I don’t think anyone here will dispute that information. You beat us in the worst years of Alabama football history. Good for Auburn we are all happy for you. But once again you missed the point of the conversation, which really isn’t all that surprising.

No, I got the point. The point mentioned was that if we claim these titles...that bama should be able to also right? See...I got the jist of it :)

I was actually arguing the comment about "inferiority complex". Simply noting that its not there, hasnt been for the last 20 years :D

[Rolling Tide]

Yeah you guys beat us 4 out of 5 years. I will admit that. I don’t think anyone here will dispute that information. You beat us in the worst years of Alabama football history. Good for Auburn we are all happy for you. But once again you missed the point of the conversation, which really isn’t all that surprising.

No, I got the point. The point mentioned was that if we claim these titles...that bama should be able to also right? See...I got the jist of it :)

I was actually arguing the comment about "inferiority complex". Simply noting that its not there, hasnt been for the last 20 years :D

Ok

[WNXBama]

Oh well, there goes Auburn's only chance to sniff a NC.

Hell, their best team in the history of their program can't even get to the NC game!

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[vatz22au]

Oh well, there goes Auburn's only chance to sniff a NC.

Hell, their best team in the history of their program can't even get to the NC game!

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

And thats our fault how? :(

Believe me, I'd much rather our opponents be making fun of us for missing a NC game rather than not making it above .500 in the win column :wink:

[WNXBama]

And thats our fault how? :(

Don't care whose fault it is....the fact you got left out makes me laugh.


Believe me, I'd much rather our opponents be making fun of us for missing a NC game rather than not making it above .500 in the win column :wink:

I am sure you would. Auburn has great practice in not making it above the .500 win column :lol:

[vatz22au]

And thats our fault how? :(

Don't care whose fault it is....the fact you got left out makes me laugh.


Believe me, I'd much rather our opponents be making fun of us for missing a NC game rather than not making it above .500 in the win column :wink:

I am sure you would. Auburn has great practice in not making it above the .500 win column :lol:

How so? Failed math? :shock:

[dblackmon]

I made attention of the probation that hounded the barners in 57 thanks for clearing that up. I had always heard they were on sanctions but i also heard they claimed a nc. It seems to become more of a desperate attempt to join an elite class of schools to be called number one. Auburn has always been and left in the shadows of the CAPSTONE.



"The price of victory is high, but so are the rewards."

[vatz22au]

I made attention of the probation that hounded the barners in 57 thanks for clearing that up. I had always heard they were on sanctions but i also heard they claimed a nc. It seems to become more of a desperate attempt to join an elite class of schools to be called number one. Auburn has always been and left in the shadows of the CAPSTONE.



"The price of victory is high, but so are the rewards."

How true :roll:

[Tigrinum Major]

The fact that some of you did not know the facts concerning 1957 surprises me a bit. But then there were some that did not know the facts concerning 1941 either, which is your own school. Kudos to those of you that know the history of your program and even the history of your rivals.

Trivia questions to all. Bonus points for those who can answer without looking up the answers on the web. Honor system applies.

What years did Bama win a MNC despite losing their bowl game?

What years did Bama get shafted when the team winning the MNC lost their bowl game?

What was Alabama ranked headed into the Punt Bama Punt game?

Where did Pat Dye attend college?

Vince Dooley?

Who was the "Other End" when Don Hutson played?

What state was Paul Bryant born in?

Who did Bryant want to succeed him?

Who got fired for agreeing to play Auburn at Auburn?

What is on the ceiling at Harry's?

Who was Denney?

What is the City Cafe menu for Fridays?

Why doesn't Birmingham have an NFL team?

What do Wally Butts and Paul Bryant have in common?

Who sponsored the Paul Bryant Show?

What is like " nuthin' else nowhere"?

Who has been good friends with Mal Moore for years and has a room of some sort named after him in the athletic complex?

Why should Bama fans thank Sam Cunningham of USoCal?


Who did Paul Bryant beat in his last win? Where?
Who did Paul Bryant lose his last game to?

What military branch did Bryant serve in?

Sorry, I have rambled on and bored even myself with all this useless knowledge. If only I could get paid for knowing athletic facts...

[imported_Porter]

I'll give it my best shot...

What years did Bama win a MNC despite losing their bowl game? '64 and '73

What years did Bama get shafted when the team winning the MNC lost their bowl game? '45 and '66

What was Alabama ranked headed into the Punt Bama Punt game? I know that BAMA was undefeated going in, so they would have been ranked high... I'll say #1

Where did Pat Dye attend college? UGA

Vince Dooley? Auburn... & his HS was McGill-Toolen in Mobile (same as mine for 2 years)

Who was the "Other End" when Don Hutson played? Coach Bryant

What state was Paul Bryant born in? Arkansas

Who did Bryant want to succeed him? Ray Perkins

Who got fired for agreeing to play Auburn at Auburn? Not sure on this one.

What is on the ceiling at Harry's? no clue... never been in there.

Who was Denney? If you mean Denny, that would be a former U of A President. If you mean Denney... I don't know

What is the City Cafe menu for Fridays? don't know... never been... I'll guess turkey and dressing?

Why doesn't Birmingham have an NFL team? Beacuse the city is run by monkeys, and the NFL knows it would never work.

What do Wally Butts and Paul Bryant have in common? Wally's name is very familiar, but I'm not sure what the link is... I'll guess that they both coached at Kentucky and A&M together???

Who sponsored the Paul Bryant Show? Coke and Golden Flake?

What is like " nuthin' else nowhere"? Ribs from Dreamland

Who has been good friends with Mal Moore for years and has a room of some sort named after him in the athletic complex? hmmm... Lee Roy Jordan?

Why should Bama fans thank Sam Cunningham of USoCal? Not sure, but I have a feeling at what I think you might say.


Who did Paul Bryant beat in his last win? Illinois Where? Liberty Bowl
Who did Paul Bryant lose his last game to? Auburn

What military branch did Bryant serve in? Navy

[Crimson_Pride]

I don't think I know as many of these as Porter, but I'll take a shot.



What years did Bama win a MNC despite losing their bowl game? '73, i'm sure of

What years did Bama get shafted when the team winning the MNC lost their bowl game? not sure

What was Alabama ranked headed into the Punt Bama Punt game? not sure

Where did Pat Dye attend college? yep, UGA

Vince Dooley? yep, AU

Who was the "Other End" when Don Hutson played? not sure, didn't think it was Bryant though

What state was Paul Bryant born in? Arkansas, Moral Bottom to be precise and he attended Fordyce HS

Who did Bryant want to succeed him? i thought this was Gene Stallings

Who got fired for agreeing to play Auburn at Auburn? Bill Curry

What is on the ceiling at Harry's? don't know

Who was Denney? what Porter said

What is the City Cafe menu for Fridays? not sure, but dang those biscuits are good

Why doesn't Birmingham have an NFL team? i have a feeling there's something more specific here, but i'll say it's because of the incompetency of the leaders and the relatively small population

What do Wally Butts and Paul Bryant have in common? never heard of him

Who sponsored the Paul Bryant Show? i think it was Coke, Golden Flake, and maybe Ziegler's hot dogs too

What is like " nuthin' else nowhere"? i first thought Dreamland too, but their phrase goes "ain't nuttin' like em nowhere" so i'm not sure what you mean

Who has been good friends with Mal Moore for years and has a room of some sort named after him in the athletic complex? there's probably about a list of 4 to 5 hundred that qualify here :D

Why should Bama fans thank Sam Cunningham of USoCal? for helping integrate the Bama program by running over Bama in the early 70s, helping prove to Bama fans that black players could play


Who did Paul Bryant beat in his last win? i didn't know Where? Liberty Bowl

Who did Paul Bryant lose his last game to? yeah, i think that was AU

What military branch did Bryant serve in? i'd have to say Navy too, and he did it with the great uncle of a friend of mine.

[WYTBOYZ]

National Titles: 1913, 1957, 1983, 1993, 2004 LOL!!! :shock: What a joke you might wanna go to the college FB warehouse and check their records as its the foremost expert in who and when teams won their NC's and barners are only listed as having 1 and even that 1 is disputed because you were on probation at that time. Cry and piss and moan all you barners want about MNC and what we claim FACTS are we are listed as having 12 UNDISPUTED and you barners have 1 and only 1 and that 1 is disputed because (1). You were on probation (2) you didn't play a bowl game to even claim it. (3) even when BAMA lost their bowl game we were still the best team in the nation and even the polls KNEW it thats why we have MNC's..... Sorry barners the proof is there just look for it and read and weep cause the FACTS DO NOT LIE!!!!!!

[WYTBOYZ]

don't cloud this conversation over with your personal feelings cause you are a barner fan, just read the facts if you are able and then without your barner mentality accept the FACT you have ONE (1) and you were on probation at that time.... Now the FACT is KNOWN whether you chose to keep trying to sugar coat your past or beef up your so called MNC's is another story I wouldn't expect anything less from a barner.. Last FACT is BAMA could claim 17 NC's but we don't because it is written and accepted by everyone but barners that we have 12 UNDISPUTED except in cowville. Sorry to tell ya the TRUTH but thats a FACT and you and everyone here KNOWS it!!

[vatz22au]

Geeze guys, lighten up and play some trivia :shock:

You've got nothing to prove to us, so why try so hard?

[Atlanta_Tider]

Dang no one knew bout Bryant and Butts? Butts was the Ugag coach who claimed Bryant called him to "throw" a game for gamblin purposes.

Harry's ceiling, hell I was always too drunk off of those buckets to see the ceiling!

Yeah you guys beat us 4 out of 5 years. I will admit that. I don’t think anyone here will dispute that information. You beat us in the worst years of Alabama football history. Good for Auburn we are all happy for you. But once again you missed the point of the conversation, which really isn’t all that surprising.
Just to elaborate on this slight tangent a little...first, the folks who had to suffer through the "Ears" Whitworth era would probably beg to differ with you on the last five years being the worst. :wink:

But aside from that, this isn't the first time I've heard this line of argument used to sort of dismiss Auburn's recent success and assert that "once things get back to normal, Bama will be beating AU regularly again" or something of the sort.

The truth is, this is the new normal. Not Bama being on probation...just Bama being average with a few spots of "really good". See, for all the talk of Bama at the top being "normal", it really was only the norm for the tenure of Paul Bear Bryant. Yes, Bama had some glory days in the 20s and they had a couple of good years in the 40s. But Bama's "tradition" of being at the top is pretty much attributed to an era that ended 22 years and 6 Bama head coaches ago. This era accounts for over half of your SEC titles and national championships. It also accounts for your lead in the Iron Bowl series (38-30-1) since Bryant went 19-6 against Auburn in his tenure.

That's not to say it isn't something to be proud of. It absolutely is. But it has to be placed in its proper perspective. The Bryant era is the aberration, not the norm. It was a great 25 years, but it's not the totality of the state of each respective program. This is not an attempt to erase the Bryant era, so don't even start with that line of argument. This is simply an attempt to show that Bama has had ample time to demonstrate its "obvious" superiority since Bryant left. It has failed to do so.

Now look at the years since Bryant, the new "normal", and compare Auburn and Alabama.

http://216.77.188.54/coDataImages/p/Groups/192/192672/pages/482008/AU-UAT.jpg

Alabama just isn't the "big dog" of the SEC anymore. You had your time and I'm sure it was fun. But I'm not buying that it's "just a matter of time" before you return to your "rightful place" at the top of the SEC. And you can't put all the blame on probation either. You've had 22 years to assert your dominance and it hasn't happened. Auburn leads in virtually every category against Alabama that you can come up with.

In summary, the Bryant era was a great time for Alabama football, especially in the modern era. But Bama has not been anything remotely dominant since he left. They've had some good seasons and some bad ones. Bama fans can get used to being one of the better programs in the SEC, but certainly no better than any of the others (Auburn, Tennessee, LSU, Florida, Georgia) if the last 22 years are any indication.

[Crimson_Pride]

Yeah you guys beat us 4 out of 5 years. I will admit that. I don’t think anyone here will dispute that information. You beat us in the worst years of Alabama football history. Good for Auburn we are all happy for you. But once again you missed the point of the conversation, which really isn’t all that surprising.
Just to elaborate on this slight tangent a little...first, the folks who had to suffer through the "Ears" Whitworth era would probably beg to differ with you on the last five years being the worst. :wink:

But aside from that, this isn't the first time I've heard this line of argument used to sort of dismiss Auburn's recent success and assert that "once things get back to normal, Bama will be beating AU regularly again" or something of the sort.

The truth is, this is the new normal. Not Bama being on probation...just Bama being average with a few spots of "really good". See, for all the talk of Bama at the top being "normal", it really was only the norm for the tenure of Paul Bear Bryant. Yes, Bama had some glory days in the 20s and they had a couple of good years in the 40s. But Bama's "tradition" of being at the top is pretty much attributed to an era that ended 22 years and 6 Bama head coaches ago. This era accounts for over half of your SEC titles and national championships. It also accounts for your lead in the Iron Bowl series (38-30-1) since Bryant went 19-6 against Auburn in his tenure.

That's not to say it isn't something to be proud of. It absolutely is. But it has to be placed in its proper perspective. The Bryant era is the aberration, not the norm. It was a great 25 years, but it's not the totality of the state of each respective program. This is not an attempt to erase the Bryant era, so don't even start with that line of argument. This is simply an attempt to show that Bama has had ample time to demonstrate its "obvious" superiority since Bryant left. It has failed to do so.

Now look at the years since Bryant, the new "normal", and compare Auburn and Alabama.

http://216.77.188.54/coDataImages/p/Groups/192/192672/pages/482008/AU-UAT.jpg

Alabama just isn't the "big dog" of the SEC anymore. You had your time and I'm sure it was fun. But I'm not buying that it's "just a matter of time" before you return to your "rightful place" at the top of the SEC. And you can't put all the blame on probation either. You've had 22 years to assert your dominance and it hasn't happened. Auburn leads in virtually every category against Alabama that you can come up with.

In summary, the Bryant era was a great time for Alabama football, especially in the modern era. But Bama has not been anything remotely dominant since he left. They've had some good seasons and some bad ones. Bama fans can get used to being one of the better programs in the SEC, but certainly no better than any of the others (Auburn, Tennessee, LSU, Florida, Georgia) if the last 22 years are any indication.

Nice points, however, your assertion that the last 2 decades are the new "normal" is just as flawed as saying the 25 years previous is "normal."

Over the last couple of decades I'd argue that Bama (fans, administration, boosters) has been it's own worst enemy. When Bama fans talk of our inevitable rise back to the top they are speaking of the drive of our program. All programs that have winning at the center go through rough periods....even rough eras. But the catalyst behind long term winning is the push to make it happen.

Examples...

A Miami- Pretty much obscure before the late 70s and early 80s. This program gained the perspective that it wanted to be at the top period. They changed coaches several times and even went through a period of serious probation that took about 7 or 8 years to run its course. However, the Miami program saw themselves as winners and pursued it as such. Some are satisfied with mediocrity or simply better than average. Others keep working, sometimes failing, but working nonetheless until they reach the top. Miami has this quality.

B. Oklahoma- Much of the last 50 years was great for them. If they weren't winning NCs then they were competing for them on a regular basis. Then comes the 90s. It all stops in a heartbeat and for about a decade they were bad....just plain bad. They dealt with serious probation and coaching instability to a lesser level then we have over the last few years. But (here we go again) they keep plugging away until they found what worked again. Now, they are back to being a perennial power.

Alabama also has this quality about its program. And unlike some of these others they have consitently had a GOBN in place for a long time now. Many of the decisions made over the last couple of decades would have been much wiser had there not been so many power hungry folks at the top who wanted to win, but do it their way. Not putting the program over your own ambitions can cause serious problems. AU is familiar with that concept.

I'd also argue with your point about the longevity of Bama's successful eras. Bama was arguably a perinnial national power during the 20s, 30s, and part of the 40s. They were lead by only 2 differnt coaches during that time...Wade and Thomas. That's one 20-25 year period of great football. Also, the 7 years under Stallings were quite good. They only managed to win 1 NC and 1 SEC title, but 70 wins in 7 years ain't bad. Even if you account for the wins lost during the forfeited 93 season, that era still ain't bad. Again, it was the administration that got in the way of the Stallings era lasting any longer than it did. The incompetency that has been on either end of Stallings is what's accounting for the poor figures over the last 20 some odd years.

It's only a matter of time...how much i'm not sure. But AU has been better than Bama over certain periods before. Again, certain periods.

[WNXBama]

Do Auburn fans know how laughable it is when they take an SEC West Title that they tied with (yet lost to the team they tied) and claim it is a Title?

Do they?

Dang no one knew bout Bryant and Butts? Butts was the Ugag coach who claimed Bryant called him to "throw" a game for gamblin purposes.

Harry's ceiling, hell I was always too drunk off of those buckets to see the ceiling!

Actually, it wasn't Butt's that claimed that. It was a writer for the Saturday Evening Post out of Atlanta that wrote an article stating that Bryant and Butts worked out a deal for UGA to throw the game. After the article was published, Bryant and Butts went into a joint Lawsuit against the SEP, won the lawsuit, and basicaly put the paper out of buisness.

[WYTBOYZ]

applaud titantiger for his post at least he has some proof and doen soem research. My only thing to say is yes we have been about even the last 20 years and you might be ahead in alot of the categories but the main one which is ??? The NC, Bama has had its spell of bad FB just as every FB team has case in point UCLA, they were once a dominate team and they are no longer, fsu,miami,georgia tech for that matter have had their runs at being good but just how loing do you have to be good to consider yourself a great school.
Look in the NFL 49er's , Steelers and now the Pats are dominating it goes in cycles in case you didn't know but teams like BAMA , OU etc... are always finding their way back too the top, unlike barners we have been to the top several times and we will be back its not just a matter of time its a FACT PROVEN OVER AND OVER AGAIN 12 times to be exact.. We have had our share of mis-fortune mainly our own fault and some help of some really stupid people but hey we are off probation and things will change as if you never heard it before the past always repeats itself.. BAMA will be back on top and CMS has done his part to get us back, barners they relish that we were on probation so they can claim they beat us 4-5 times and thats fine but it is changing and I know you are worried or WHY ELSE ARE YOU HERE?????????????

First off, learn to use a return key. Geez your posts are hard to read.


applaud titantiger for his post at least he has some proof and doen soem research. My only thing to say is yes we have been about even the last 20 years and you might be ahead in alot of the categories but the main one which is ??? The NC
Putting this point in perspective, Auburn in 2004 had a slightly more difficult task to deal with than Bama in 92. Auburn started 17th in the polls. In 1992, Bama started 9th and had one first place vote already. Also, by season's end, Miami and Alabama were the only two undefeated teams left. Check that...Texas A&M did manage to go 12-0 but lost in their bowl game. Regardless, Bama's rise to a shot at the NC that year was partly due to luck...you needed the people ahead of you to lose regardless of what you did. Had Washington (preseason #2) or especially Notre Dame (preseason #3) or FSU (preseason #5) managed to stay undefeated, it's unlikely you would have even played for the NC, much less won it. That's not to say you didn't take care of business when given the opportunity. You did. In fact, I pulled for Bama in a rare feat because of how much I detest Miami. But nothing Bama did that year had any bearing on what happened above them. You needed other teams to come through against ND and FSU to even get the shot.

Auburn just got dealt a bad hand. We did everything you did. But we started lower, thus needing more help from other teams, and the preseason top two teams never lost. What can you do about that? It is what it is but the bottom line was, we went 13-0 and it's not our fault that D-IA college football has such a screwy system.



<snip>...barners they relish that we were on probation so they can claim they beat us 4-5 times and thats fine but it is changing and I know you are worried or WHY ELSE ARE YOU HERE?????????????
We've beaten you plenty of times, probation or not. But aside from that, to answer your last question, I'm posting here to give some added perspective and because I have friends who are Bama fans who post here. That isn't being worried anymore than Bama Bo and BamaGrad posting over at AUNation means they are worried about anything. We post on rivals' sites because it's fun.

[WNXBama]

Auburn just got dealt a bad hand. We did everything you did.

Nope. We won the National Title. Auburn didn't.

Got dealt a bad hand? Oh well, thats life as an Auburn fan :lol:

[WYTBOYZ]

added perspective is a cop out for a reason to be here. You simply come here and try too state ignorate trivia that has no backing such as we had to be lucky to get into the 92 championship, that was not luck it wasn't skill it was the lack of desire from ND and FSu to win.. You not going to the NC game this year was just a way of showing the inperfections of the current system which we have right now.. I guess its BAMA's fault that you didn't get a title shot or that we got a shot in 92 .. Like I said my post are merely facts that you were on probation in 1957 and you didn't play a bowl game that year and thats your only title (1) thats it (1) can't help that you may or may not of been screwed last year its just the system.
Answer me this question as well and answer honestly in 1957 you were on probation and didn't play in a bowl do you honestly think barn deserved the NC???? Since you guys like to try and go over our MNC's with a fine tooth comb go over your one and answer it honestly.. If it was BAMA that did that would you still feel it was deserved???? HONESTLY!!!!
This has helped pass the time anyways and its like talking to a wall and it just keeps going the same way with you guys, but like I said FACTS ARE FACTS BAMA wins MNC's barners when whatever award they can dream up.. and that is a SAD SAD FACT!!!!

added perspective is a cop out for a reason to be here.
Not that what you think about it matters. But if saying it makes you feel better...



You simply come here and try too state ignorate trivia...
A piece of friendly advice: don't refer to people's posts as "ignorant" if you can't spell it.



...that has no backing such as we had to be lucky to get into the 92 championship
Actually, I said it was partly luck (and even put it in bold), because Bama had nothing to do with whether any of the teams I mentioned won or lost since Bama did not play any of them that year. Pay attention.



, that was not luck it wasn't skill it was the lack of desire from ND and FSu to win..
The bottom line is, it wasn't in your control. In that sense, it was luck. And again before you twist my words, I'm not saying what Bama did that year was luck. You went undefeated. You plastered Miami. You deserved the title. All I said was that you were lucky to even get the shot because you had to depend on other teams knocking off the likes of Notre Dame and FSU (not to mention some others) for you to even get the chance.



You not going to the NC game this year was just a way of showing the inperfections of the current system which we have right now..
Did I not say virtually the same thing?



I guess its BAMA's fault that you didn't get a title shot or that we got a shot in 92 ..
Um, no. I defy you to show me anywhere that I even insinuated any of this was Bama's fault. In fact, I think I specifically said, "it is what it is."



Like I said my post are merely facts that you were on probation in 1957 and you didn't play a bowl game that year and thats your only title (1) thats it (1) can't help that you may or may not of been screwed last year its just the system.
Again, already said that. Please step up the reading comprehension skills.



Answer me this question as well and answer honestly in 1957 you were on probation and didn't play in a bowl do you honestly think barn deserved the NC????
Since the AP poll came out before the bowl games anyway and the AP has never excluded teams for probation, I say that we did deserve it. We gave up 28 points in 10 games that year including a 48-0 pounding of Alabama. We had a much of a claim to it as anyone else that was undefeated.



Since you guys like to try and go over our MNC's with a fine tooth comb go over your one and answer it honestly.. If it was BAMA that did that would you still feel it was deserved???? HONESTLY!!!!
Well, I haven't been going over Bama's titles with a fine toothed comb but I'll say this: I'd consider it legit...certainly more legit than your 1941 title when you went 9-2, didn't win the SEC and finished 20th in the AP.




This has helped pass the time anyways and its like talking to a wall and it just keeps going the same way with you guys, but like I said FACTS ARE FACTS BAMA wins MNC's barners when whatever award they can dream up.. and that is a SAD SAD FACT!!!!
zzzzzzzzzz...

Titan,

You raise a good point about others having to lose in order for Alabama to get a shot at Miami in '92. This is something I've thought about before. I remember up until just a couple of weeks before the SEC Champ game, alot of Bama Fans, including myself, were complaining that the polls were not giving us any respect.

[vatz22au]

Go Titan!!! :lol:

Guys, just a little bit of warning...Since I post with Titan often over at aunation. He is a GOOD debater. He comes to the table with facts. He will make his points very obvious, and clear. He is completely unbiased in his statements and will also make that very clear as well. Usually, if Titan feels he is right...most of the time, he actually is...(whether I like to admit it or not :( )

Just a warning, dont come to the table with 3 cards when Titan has 5 of 'em :)

Go Titan!!! :lol:

Guys, just a little bit of warning...Since I post with Titan often over at aunation. He is a GOOD debater. He comes to the table with facts. He will make his points very obvious, and clear. He is completely unbiased in his statements and will also make that very clear as well. Usually, if Titan feels he is right...most of the time, he actually is...(whether I like to admit it or not :( )

Just a warning, dont come to the table with 3 cards when Titan has 5 of 'em :)
I appreciate the backup. But I really didn't come to slam anyone. I enjoy talking with rival fans as long as people can keep their emotions in check to a reasonable degree and have fun with it. That's all. Bama Bo and others are members in excellent standing over at AUNation and we're glad they're around to give their perspective. And that's all I was doing...giving another perspective.

[Rolling Tide]

added perspective is a cop out for a reason to be here.
Not that what you think about it matters. But if saying it makes you feel better...



You simply come here and try too state ignorate trivia...
A piece of friendly advice: don't refer to people's posts as "ignorant" if you can't spell it.



...that has no backing such as we had to be lucky to get into the 92 championship
Actually, I said it was partly luck (and even put it in bold), because Bama had nothing to do with whether any of the teams I mentioned won or lost since Bama did not play any of them that year. Pay attention.



, that was not luck it wasn't skill it was the lack of desire from ND and FSu to win..
The bottom line is, it wasn't in your control. In that sense, it was luck. And again before you twist my words, I'm not saying what Bama did that year was luck. You went undefeated. You plastered Miami. You deserved the title. All I said was that you were lucky to even get the shot because you had to depend on other teams knocking off the likes of Notre Dame and FSU (not to mention some others) for you to even get the chance.



You not going to the NC game this year was just a way of showing the inperfections of the current system which we have right now..
Did I not say virtually the same thing?



I guess its BAMA's fault that you didn't get a title shot or that we got a shot in 92 ..
Um, no. I defy you to show me anywhere that I even insinuated any of this was Bama's fault. In fact, I think I specifically said, "it is what it is."



Like I said my post are merely facts that you were on probation in 1957 and you didn't play a bowl game that year and thats your only title (1) thats it (1) can't help that you may or may not of been screwed last year its just the system.
Again, already said that. Please step up the reading comprehension skills.



Answer me this question as well and answer honestly in 1957 you were on probation and didn't play in a bowl do you honestly think barn deserved the NC????
Since the AP poll came out before the bowl games anyway and the AP has never excluded teams for probation, I say that we did deserve it. We gave up 28 points in 10 games that year including a 48-0 pounding of Alabama. We had a much of a claim to it as anyone else that was undefeated.



Since you guys like to try and go over our MNC's with a fine tooth comb go over your one and answer it honestly.. If it was BAMA that did that would you still feel it was deserved???? HONESTLY!!!!
Well, I haven't been going over Bama's titles with a fine toothed comb but I'll say this: I'd consider it legit...certainly more legit than your 1941 title when you went 9-2, didn't win the SEC and finished 20th in the AP.




This has helped pass the time anyways and its like talking to a wall and it just keeps going the same way with you guys, but like I said FACTS ARE FACTS BAMA wins MNC's barners when whatever award they can dream up.. and that is a SAD SAD FACT!!!!
zzzzzzzzzz...


OUCH!!! Welcome to the site!!! :)

[WNXBama]

Go Titan!!! :lol:

Guys, just a little bit of warning...Since I post with Titan often over at aunation. He is a GOOD debater. He comes to the table with facts. He will make his points very obvious, and clear. He is completely unbiased in his statements and will also make that very clear as well. Usually, if Titan feels he is right...most of the time, he actually is...(whether I like to admit it or not :( )

Just a warning, dont come to the table with 3 cards when Titan has 5 of 'em :)

Apparently you don't come with any of that.

:lol:

[WYTBOYZ]

added perspective is a cop out for a reason to be here.
Not that what you think about it matters. But if saying it makes you feel better...
Your right it doesn't matter..


You simply come here and try too state ignorate trivia...
A piece of friendly advice: don't refer to people's posts as "ignorant" if you can't spell it.
Sorry should of spell checked it for ya!! How is this "Ignorant"


...that has no backing such as we had to be lucky to get into the 92 championship
Actually, I said it was partly luck (and even put it in bold), because Bama had nothing to do with whether any of the teams I mentioned won or lost since Bama did not play any of them that year. Pay attention.
I was paying attention "luck" is for those who believe in it, so it's a matter of perspective if thats okay.

, that was not luck it wasn't skill it was the lack of desire from ND and FSu to win..
The bottom line is, it wasn't in your control. In that sense, it was luck. And again before you twist my words, I'm not saying what Bama did that year was luck. You went undefeated. You plastered Miami. You deserved the title. All I said was that you were lucky to even get the shot because you had to depend on other teams knocking off the likes of Notre Dame and FSU (not to mention some others) for you to even get the chance.
"No kidding but like I said "luck" is something people either believe or do not believe in and I really don't. Sorry but "luck" and FB are not bed friends in my book."

You not going to the NC game this year was just a way of showing the inperfections of the current system which we have right now..
Did I not say virtually the same thing?
At least we agree on something


I guess its BAMA's fault that you didn't get a title shot or that we got a shot in 92 ..
Um, no. I defy you to show me anywhere that I even insinuated any of this was Bama's fault. In fact, I think I specifically said, "it is what it is."
"Was more of a question than an connotation"


Like I said my post are merely facts that you were on probation in 1957 and you didn't play a bowl game that year and thats your only title (1) thats it (1) can't help that you may or may not of been screwed last year its just the system.
Again, already said that. Please step up the reading comprehension skills.
"I read pretty well actually, I might be wrong but wasn't your post sort of contentious"?

Answer me this question as well and answer honestly in 1957 you were on probation and didn't play in a bowl do you honestly think barn deserved the NC????
Since the AP poll came out before the bowl games anyway and the AP has never excluded teams for probation, I say that we did deserve it. We gave up 28 points in 10 games that year including a 48-0 pounding of Alabama. We had a much of a claim to it as anyone else that was undefeated.
"might want to step up your reading comprehension skills my friend as the article stated that there were no un-defeated teams since OU went down(other than barn). I understand you wanting to claim the one and only but come on honestly?? I am wondering do you think there were no bowl games that year?? Cause everyone but barners played in one that could or did you miss that too??"

Since you guys like to try and go over our MNC's with a fine tooth comb go over your one and answer it honestly.. If it was BAMA that did that would you still feel it was deserved???? HONESTLY!!!!
Well, I haven't been going over Bama's titles with a fine toothed comb but I'll say this: I'd consider it legit...certainly more legit than your 1941 title when you went 9-2, didn't win the SEC and finished 20th in the AP.
"Ok, but we did win our Bowl and other teams didn't play in them because of the war. Again we took what they gave us and in 66 they took one back so I would say we are even"


This has helped pass the time anyways and its like talking to a wall and it just keeps going the same way with you guys, but like I said FACTS ARE FACTS BAMA wins MNC's barners when whatever award they can dream up.. and that is a SAD SAD FACT!!!!
zzzzzzzzzz...

FACTS DUDE JUST PLAIN FACTS!!

[vatz22au]

Titan - 1
That other guy - ...why bother :roll:

[WYTBOYZ]

what a surprise taking the barners side. Gee he is real good at debating maybe if he says something that has not been gone over 20,000 times it would be good. I simply posted a fact that was brought up about 1957 and even then your buddy obviously didn't read the article correctly. Anyways it's cool with me I stated something you probably didn't even know about the barn (57 probation) as it was asked by a fellow BAMA fan so I found what he was looking for and gave the truth/facts.
When you guys come up with something original let me know and does your mother fight for you too?? LOL!!! He did well in his post with some facts but I fail to see what that had to do with the 1957 article I posted, maybe its just me...........I guess to try and devert the attention from the FACTS!

Sorry should of spell checked it for ya!! How is this "Ignorant"
Well, all I'm saying is, don't call people ignorant then misspell the frickin' word.



...that has no backing such as we had to be lucky to get into the 92 championship
Actually, I said it was partly luck (and even put it in bold), because Bama had nothing to do with whether any of the teams I mentioned won or lost since Bama did not play any of them that year. Pay attention.
I was paying attention "luck" is for those who believe in it, so it's a matter of perspective if thats okay.
Call it "luck", "good fortune" or whatever you feel like naming it, the meaning is the same: Bama had nothing to do with them losing and thus required things to happen that were out of their control to even get a shot at playing for the NC. Apparently Bama Bo is a few steps up the IQ ladder from you because he got what I was saying rather quickly.



"No kidding but like I said "luck" is something people either believe or do not believe in and I really don't. Sorry but "luck" and FB are not bed friends in my book."
See above. I don't care if you believe in luck. My point was just to illustrate that things that had nothing to do with how good Bama was that year had to happen for them to get a chance. We were unfortunate in that those lucky things didn't happen for us when we ran the table.



"Was more of a question than an connotation"
This doesn't make a lick of sense.



"I read pretty well actually, I might be wrong but wasn't your post sort of contentious"?
What does that have to do with anything?



"might want to step up your reading comprehension skills my friend as the article stated that there were no un-defeated teams since OU went down(other than barn). I understand you wanting to claim the one and only but come on honestly?? I am wondering do you think there were no bowl games that year?? Cause everyone but barners played in one that could or did you miss that too??"
Actually, Arizona State went undefeated that year (10-0) and VMI was 9-0-1. For someone who claims to be giving "just plain facts", you aren't too up on them.

And let me see if I can do this slowly for you: until somewhere around the late 60s or somewhere in the 1970s, the AP Poll awarded the national title before the bowl games. Bowl games were just considered an extra exhibition game more or less as far as the polls were concerned. Therefore, it is immaterial whether we went to a bowl or not. We were the only undefeated team during the regular season (in other words, none of the other contenders went undefeated then lost in their bowl game). We gave up 7 pts each to four different teams in 10 games for a total of 28 pts given up the whole year. Yes, we deserved the national championship in 1957. You asked, I answered.



"Ok, but we did win our Bowl and other teams didn't play in them because of the war. Again we took what they gave us and in 66 they took one back so I would say we are even"
Like I said, I don't really care about it...I was just pointing out that if you had a situation like we did in 1957, I would consider it legit; more legit that your 1941 for instance. And again for the slow to get it: bowl games did not factor into national titles back then.


FACTS DUDE JUST PLAIN FACTS!!
Um, actually, not so much. Nice try though.

Sorry should of spell checked it for ya!! How is this "Ignorant"
Well, all I'm saying is, don't call people ignorant then misspell the frickin' word.


I was paying attention "luck" is for those who believe in it, so it's a matter of perspective if thats okay.
Call it "luck", "good fortune" or whatever you feel like naming it, the meaning is the same: Bama had nothing to do with them losing and thus required things to happen that were out of their control to even get a shot at playing for the NC. Apparently Bama Bo is a few steps up the IQ ladder from you because he got what I was saying rather quickly.



"No kidding but like I said "luck" is something people either believe or do not believe in and I really don't. Sorry but "luck" and FB are not bed friends in my book."
See above. I don't care if you believe in luck. My point was just to illustrate that things that had nothing to do with how good Bama was that year had to happen for them to get a chance. We were unfortunate in that those lucky things didn't happen for us when we ran the table.



"Was more of a question than an connotation"
This doesn't make a lick of sense.



"I read pretty well actually, I might be wrong but wasn't your post sort of contentious"?
What does that have to do with anything?



"might want to step up your reading comprehension skills my friend as the article stated that there were no un-defeated teams since OU went down(other than barn). I understand you wanting to claim the one and only but come on honestly?? I am wondering do you think there were no bowl games that year?? Cause everyone but barners played in one that could or did you miss that too??"
Actually, Arizona State went undefeated that year (10-0) and VMI was 9-0-1. For someone who claims to be giving "just plain facts", you aren't too up on them.

And let me see if I can do this slowly for you: until somewhere around the late 60s or somewhere in the 1970s, the AP Poll awarded the national title before the bowl games. Bowl games were just considered an extra exhibition game more or less as far as the polls were concerned. Therefore, it is immaterial whether we went to a bowl or not. We were the only undefeated team during the regular season (in other words, none of the other contenders went undefeated then lost in their bowl game). We gave up 7 pts each to four different teams in 10 games for a total of 28 pts given up the whole year. Yes, we deserved the national championship in 1957. You asked, I answered.



"Ok, but we did win our Bowl and other teams didn't play in them because of the war. Again we took what they gave us and in 66 they took one back so I would say we are even"
Like I said, I don't really care about it...I was just pointing out that if you had a situation like we did in 1957, I would consider it legit; more legit that your 1941 for instance. And again for the slow to get it: bowl games did not factor into national titles back then.


FACTS DUDE JUST PLAIN FACTS!!
Um, actually, not so much. Nice try though.

[imported_porkchop]

As far as the 92 title and depending on other teams knocking off the likes of FSU and ND, that happens every year. Its not often that the top two teams in the rankings make it from week one to the end of the season in those same positions, so I don't really know what the point of bringing that up is?

But, as the AU fan stated, we went undefeated and plastered Miami and we deserved it. The fact is, we were ranked number 2 going into that game. We took care of our business during the season and then in the SECCG in beating Florida. We deserved that game as much as anyone that year.

[vatz22au]

As far as the 92 title and depending on other teams knocking off the likes of FSU and ND, that happens every year. Its not often that the top two teams in the rankings make it from week one to the end of the season in those same positions, so I don't really know what the point of bringing that up is?


From Titan:
"Putting this point in perspective, Auburn in 2004 had a slightly more difficult task to deal with than Bama in 92. Auburn started 17th in the polls. In 1992, Bama started 9th and had one first place vote already. Also, by season's end, Miami and Alabama were the only two undefeated teams left. Check that...Texas A&M did manage to go 12-0 but lost in their bowl game. Regardless, Bama's rise to a shot at the NC that year was partly due to luck"

Hes only stating the flawed system in which is college football. Its no hit on Bama whatsoever. Just merely pointing out how hard it is for a team not ranked #1 or #2 preseasonally, and making it to the title game. Basically...alot of things have to go just right. Hes trying to state, that during the '92 year....Bama had an easier path...the teams before them lost. We werent so lucky in 2004.

[Crimson_Pride]

I think this argument....whatever it's about, I lost track....is a moot point.

If AU had made it to the NC game last year they likely would have received a similar result as OU. I think AU may have been a more well rounded team last year and would have been more competitive, but still Pete Carroll's preparation strategies must be the best in the country. They were give about a month and totally dismantled, humiliated a darn good team.

Is that what we're talking about? I'm hungry.

[WNXBama]

See above. I don't care if you believe in luck. My point was just to illustrate that things that had nothing to do with how good Bama was that year had to happen for them to get a chance. We were unfortunate in that those lucky things didn't happen for us when we ran the table.

Do it more often and it won't happen to you then. Instead of this once in every lifetime timetable of Auburn being elite in football.

See above. I don't care if you believe in luck. My point was just to illustrate that things that had nothing to do with how good Bama was that year had to happen for them to get a chance. We were unfortunate in that those lucky things didn't happen for us when we ran the table.

Do it more often and it won't happen to you then. Instead of this once in every lifetime timetable of Auburn being elite in football.
As the chart I posted showed, we've outdone you in the undefeated department in the last 20+ years, so this is pretty funny.

Regardless, you're only solidfying my other point...the preseason rankings have too much bearing on it and those are based on what you did last year. That's silly. College teams lose all kinds of players to graduation or leaving early for the pros, not to mention coaching changes. To make a national title partially dependent on what you did the year before is screwy.

I'll guarantee you if Bama in 1992 had to come from 17th and either ND or FSU had remained undefeated, you'd have been playing in the Sugar Bowl for the runner up spot while one of them played Miami in the Fiesta for the national title. It's just a simple fact of life that all national champions require a little luck to do it. Some get a lucky bounce here or there in some games. Others need teams ahead of them to lose games they probably shouldn't to get that chance. Bama was in the latter category in 1992 and so were we in 2004. I don't see where this is some mindblowing revelation.

[WNXBama]

As the chart I posted showed, we've outdone you in the undefeated department in the last 20+ years, so this is pretty funny.

Great. Getting back to my point. Try being an elite team more often instead of once in a lifetime for some and this won't happen to you again.


To make a national title partially dependent on what you did the year before is screwy.

Would agree.


I'll guarantee you if Bama in 1992 had to come from 17th and either ND or FSU had remained undefeated, you'd have been playing in the Sugar Bowl for the runner up spot while one of them played Miami in the Fiesta for the national title.

I guarantee you that is Auburn from '04 had played Alabama of '92 that we would have won.

See how I can make an analogy like that?

What happened to Auburn sucks but for an Alabama fan....it's laughter.

Auburn fans are still waiting for that one legitimate NC while Alabama fans have one in the last 15 years and many more before that....

[ROLL TIDE FOREVER AMEN]

Heck,
If you want to pick and choose from a particular era it is easy to stack the bias in ones favor versus another. So yeah Titan your point is correct. My question is what is the point of your point? That since the end of the Bear’s tenure Auburn is slightly ahead of Alabama in the win/loss column. Ok true, facts don’t lie. But winning traditions are not built in two decades. Do you not agree? Do you seriously propose that Auburn is now somehow on the same level with regard to the very definition of a winning tradition? And if so do you predicate it on this thinnest of margins? Wow! Is this all it takes to be a champion in every sense of the word? Please forgive me for the images origin.

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[imported_porkchop]

Actually I've lost track of what the original point was as well, but I will give the devil his due here. AU was on the outise looking in with both USC and OKL being undefeated (and beginning the season ranked at the top).

[vatz22au]

Actually I've lost track of what the original point was as well, but I will give the devil his due here. AU was on the outise looking in with both USC and OKL being undefeated (and beginning the season ranked at the top).

It was just a debate between Auburn vs Bama on many different points.

[WYTBOYZ]

You ********* it was a FACT SHEET on 1957 and barners WERE on PROBATION at the time but yet they claimed the NC that was what it was about... BAMA had nothing to do with this but yet your little pea sized brain keeps trying to attack BAMA's MNC's with nothing but hopes and dreams of actually having a tradition other than whining and making self made championship rings.. What a *******

[WNXBama]

Auburn needs to say they won the NC while on probation.

Enough said....that is their history

[dblackmon]

Auburn just lives in the shadows of one the Greatest Traditions in sports.
The only place I've seen AU claim a NC is on AUnation. Face it you all did not win it last year , in '93, '83, or '57. They were illegitamate claims for greatness ya'll have never recieved on the plains. Learn to brag about awards you have ove Bama(Heisman Trophy Winners).