| CURRENT EVENTS Israel vs. Iran, and where will the US fit in?

[TerryP]

As persuasive as your excessive use of periods is, I nevertheless must distinguish between subjective experiences and objective reality. We all have experiences we can't explain or don't fully understand. With such experiences, some of us are tempted to invoke the divine. An even smaller portion of the population experiences hallucinations regularly. I actually know such people.

I think you are missing the key words here: this is subjectivity.

• Seen.
• Experienced.

 

[ElephantStomp]

Then how did I experience them? I'm not supposed to believe what's seen and experienced?

Because, like a child, I've asked questions? That's the only reasonable explanation for the statement: petulant? Some of the comments deserve a Princess Bride gif.

Unless you saw god or Jesus standing there flapping his holy hands no experience shows proof of a deity, you may believe it was some divine deity

 

[musso]

I would have suggested "are." But, refraining from the petulant and pedantic side of my personality.

I stand by my grammar in this instance. The “is” refers back to “use” (singular), not “periods” (plural), which is the object of the preposition “of.”

 

[musso]

I think you are missing the key words here: this is subjectivity.

• Seen.
• Experienced.

I didn’t miss anything. In a debate/discussion on the existence/nature of god, you’re responding with subjectivity. I’d say you’re missing how irrelevant that is. Your experience doesn't trump my or anyone else’s experiences. Objective reality only cares about what can be demonstrated by reason or evidence. About the only thing I like about Zionist Ben Shapiro is his line, “Facts don’t care about your feelings.”

 

[TerryP]

About the only thing I like about Zionist Ben Shapiro is his line, “Facts don’t care about your feelings.”

Look him up with Tom McDonald: you'll like two things.

 

[TerryP]

Unless you saw god or Jesus standing there flapping his holy hands no experience shows proof of a deity, you may believe it was some divine deity

'g'od vs 'J'esus struck me here.

You carry a dismissive attitude, guised under a sarcastic tone, while questioning the beliefs of people. Your stance is built on a foundation of sand when you don't know what you are mocking.

You haven't a notion of what's been seen and experienced. With the guise of people being treated fairly, I see judgement.

 

[TerryP]

Your experience doesn't trump my or anyone else’s experiences.

My experience trumps everything. It's mine.

This appears/reads as another identity political theory ... groups.

 

[musso]

while questioning the beliefs of people

My experience trumps everything. It's mine.

I realize the former quote wasn't directed to me, but I meant to reply earlier in this thread to another similar remark you made. To be clear, no one here is remotely suggesting you don't have the right to believe whatever you want. By all means, believe away! But this is an exercise in defending our beliefs in the presence of opposing beliefs. Welcome to adulthood haha. To recoil and retreat into your own perceptions of your own experiences and trust in your ability alone, without any aid from others, to interpret and decipher whatever your frail faculties have told you about your surroundings, that sounds more like hubris than humility. Humility is saying, "I want to reconcile what I think with what you think because I trust that you may know something I don't, and I don't want to miss that." Humility is wanting to be challenged so that our individual blind spots are addressed. As I said earlier, objective truth is inherently crowd sourced: we all help each other discover what is true and reliable about the world by sharing and comparing each other's perspectives. If your experience is all that matters, well, then you may as well be a relativist and eschew philosophical, religious, political, ethical discussions altogether. The very act of debate and discussion implies an objective reality to which we are all subjects. Otherwise, why try to communicate it or persuade others at all?

Then again, some people's worldviews are more therapeutic than an attempt to understand reality. People who don't wish to be challenged often subscribe to beliefs for "medicinal" purposes. Fantasy can be an addictive drug to numb us from a reality too painful to accept.

 

[musso]

This appears/reads as another identity political theory ... groups.

I don't follow your shorthand.

 

[ElephantStomp]

'g'od vs 'J'esus struck me here.

You carry a dismissive attitude, guised under a sarcastic tone, while questioning the beliefs of people. Your stance is built on a foundation of sand when you don't know what you are mocking.

You haven't a notion of what's been seen and experienced. With the guise of people being treated fairly, I see judgement.

I’m not mocking anything. I’m purely stating that unless you say said deity or Jesus and holy hands flapping there’s no proof of said deity

Judgement? No judgement, I simply don’t buy the “what I’ve experienced proves god exists”